When Does Life Begin?

real: Babies who are a few seconds away from birth, and thus no longer 'trespassing' in the woman's body are nonetheless killed if partial birth abortion is legal, as the pro-abort fundamentalists wish it to be.

Pro-abortion zealots , CI among them, argue for the absolute right to abortion up to the time of birth. And that is the result.


Please provide evidence this is being done - by doctor and hospital name, date, and frequency. How common is this procedure in the US?

cicerone imposter wrote:

real: Babies who are a few seconds away from birth, and thus no longer 'trespassing' in the woman's body are nonetheless killed if partial birth abortion is legal, as the pro-abort fundamentalists wish it to be.

Pro-abortion zealots , CI among them, argue for the absolute right to abortion up to the time of birth. And that is the result.


Please provide evidence this is being done - by doctor and hospital name, date, and frequency. How common is this procedure in the US?

Strawman. RL did not make a claim that these abortions were being done in his assertion to you - he claimed (rightly so) that you are in favor of women having abortions until the point of birth. So why don't you stay on topic and resply to the assertion instead of playing dodgeball?

baddog1 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

real: Babies who are a few seconds away from birth, and thus no longer 'trespassing' in the woman's body are nonetheless killed if partial birth abortion is legal, as the pro-abort fundamentalists wish it to be.

Pro-abortion zealots , CI among them, argue for the absolute right to abortion up to the time of birth. And that is the result.


Please provide evidence this is being done - by doctor and hospital name, date, and frequency. How common is this procedure in the US?

Strawman. RL did not make a claim that these abortions were being done in his assertion to you - he claimed (rightly so) that you are in favor of women having abortions until the point of birth. So why don't you stay on topic and resply to the assertion instead of playing dodgeball?

You're the one making an assertion I never made. Show me where I approve of abortions until the point of birth? Talk about strawman, you win in spades.

baddog: What if Mom had provided a list of alternatives to the surgical team prior to surgery? ["If my fetus has this wrong - kill it. If this vertebra on my fetus is not where I want it to be - kill it. If it has red hair - kill it. If the hand shown in the photo has a minor skin blemish - kill it. And so on...]

Wow! Such imagination. Can you tell us which mother has spoken these words to her doctor? Which hospital?

You're the one making an assertion I never made. Show me where I approve of abortions until the point of birth? Talk about strawman, you win in spades.

All I'm saying is that I believe in pro-choice, and make no moral judgements of how the woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy - for whatever reason. I have no say whether the fetus continues into birth or not, and certainly have no say or influence in its life. What I do have influence on are for those already living; I donate to second harvest food bank and habitat for humanites. I just know many now living have need for food and shelter. It's none of my business how a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy or terminate it; I believe in each woman's choice.

cicerone imposter wrote:

You're the one making an assertion I never made. Show me where I approve of abortions until the point of birth? Talk about strawman, you win in spades.

To directly answer your question:

cicerone imposter wrote:

All I'm saying is that I believe in pro-choice, and make no moral judgements of how the woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy - for whatever reason. I have no say whether the fetus continues into birth or not, and certainly have no say or influence in its life. What I do have influence on are for those already living; I donate to second harvest food bank and habitat for humanites. I just know many now living have need for food and shelter. It's none of my business how a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy or terminate it; I believe in each woman's choice.

baddog1 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

You're the one making an assertion I never made. Show me where I approve of abortions until the point of birth? Talk about strawman, you win in spades.

To directly answer your question:

cicerone imposter wrote:

All I'm saying is that I believe in pro-choice, and make no moral judgements of how the woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy - for whatever reason. I have no say whether the fetus continues into birth or not, and certainly have no say or influence in its life. What I do have influence on are for those already living; I donate to second harvest food bank and habitat for humanites. I just know many now living have need for food and shelter. It's none of my business how a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy or terminate it; I believe in each woman's choice.

That only directly confirms CI's post BD. CI doesn't have to approve of abortions until the point of birth to recognize that it's not his bussiness.

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Huh?

cicerone imposter wrote:

All I'm saying is that I believe in pro-choice, and make no moral judgements of how the woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy - for whatever reason.

In all of his assertions - ci does not claim a point in time when it comes to abortions during pregnancy. (Unless you can show me otherwise!) By logic - this concludes that ci (and anyone else) imposes no time constraint between the beginning until the end of the pregnancy.

Diest TKO wrote:

baddog1 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

You're the one making an assertion I never made. Show me where I approve of abortions until the point of birth? Talk about strawman, you win in spades.

To directly answer your question:

cicerone imposter wrote:

All I'm saying is that I believe in pro-choice, and make no moral judgements of how the woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy - for whatever reason. I have no say whether the fetus continues into birth or not, and certainly have no say or influence in its life. What I do have influence on are for those already living; I donate to second harvest food bank and habitat for humanites. I just know many now living have need for food and shelter. It's none of my business how a woman chooses to keep her pregnancy or terminate it; I believe in each woman's choice.

That only directly confirms CI's post BD. CI doesn't have to approve of abortions until the point of birth to recognize that it's not his bussiness.

T
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Huh?

cicerone imposter wrote:

All I'm saying is that I believe in pro-choice, and make no moral judgements of how the woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy - for whatever reason.

In all of his assertions - ci does not claim a point in time when it comes to abortions during pregnancy. (Unless you can show me otherwise!) By logic - this concludes that ci (and anyone else) imposes no time constraint between the beginning until the end of the pregnancy.

BD, You are dense. It's not my choice to make.

I don't approve or disapprove. Get it? I don't make any decision on abortion.

Oregon researchers say they have cloned a monkey by splitting an early-stage embryo and implanting the pieces into mother animals.

The technique, as detailed in Friday's issue of the journal Science, has so far produced only one living monkey, a bright-eyed rhesus macaque female named Tetra, now 4 months old.

Schatten says the "embryo splitting" process is similar to what happens in nature when a mother has twins. "This is just artificial twinning," he said. The method is commonly used in animals such as cattle but had never before been used to create a monkey.

The technique also has been used to create clones of human embryos at least once.

neo, Who's committing murder? That's against the laws in this country - believe it not!

cicerone imposter wrote:

neo, Who's committing murder? That's against the laws in this country - believe it not!

What if she suggested that it might be murder?


You are hard to pin down, for an old geezer.

neo, This thread is about "abortion." I have no influence on what any woman decides to do with her fetus whether to go full term or to terminate it. It's between her and her doctor, and it's none of my business.

If she commits murder, it's up to the authorities to charge her with murder. I'm completely out of the loop.

Actually, the title of the thread is "When does life begin?" If one terminates an otherwise viable human life, you may call it whatever you wish, But I am amazed that you and TKO are not able to recognize the ethical implication of the thread title vis a vis abortion.

neo, This thread is about "abortion." I have no influence on what any woman decides to do with her fetus whether to go full term or to terminate it. It's between her and her doctor, and it's none of my business.

If she commits murder, it's up to the authorities to charge her with murder. I'm completely out of the loop.