When Does Life Begin?

Not only are these potential human beings not going to be allowed to mature solely through the loving hand of god, but these hapless unborn are going to be genetically predisposed to be gay, and thus treated like shellfish; mollusk or bi-valve.

Chumly wrote:

Rainbow Flag Health Services in San Francisco advertises itself as "the first sperm bank in North America to actively recruit gay and bisexual sperm donors."

That ought get the right-wing pro-lifers all antsy!

Why?

Chum, since you seem to be speaking from experience, I leave it to you to carry your argument to its 'logical' conclusion.

It seems he would gladly do so, rather than to defend his earlier statement.

Pro-aborts claim their position is based on 'the woman's rights'.

But even when there is NO woman involved, such as an embryo in an IVF clinic , or one used for Embyonic Stem Cell Research -----

they still come down on the side of death, rather than the side of life.

November 4, 2005 (Associated Press) Sperm have Rights. Christian leaders of the Coalition to Protect the Unborn declared today that not only do fetuses have rights, but so do spermatozoa. "Sperm are potential human beings," announced Bishop Roderick Prudehomme. "They must be saved."

neologist wrote:

Chum, since you seem to be speaking from experience, I leave it to you to carry your argument to its 'logical' conclusion.

In a complementary token I'd best assume you personify the anatomical characteristics of the Barbie doll Ken.

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chum, since you seem to be speaking from experience, I leave it to you to carry your argument to its 'logical' conclusion.

In a complementary token I'd best assume you personify the anatomical characteristics of the Barbie doll Ken.

At my old and ugly age? That would be a hoot.

But I'm sure I could still beat him in the bench press.

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chum, since you seem to be speaking from experience, I leave it to you to carry your argument to its 'logical' conclusion.

In a complementary token I'd best assume you personify the anatomical characteristics of the Barbie doll Ken.

At my old and ugly age? That would be a hoot.

But I'm sure I could still beat him in the bench press.

The anatomical personification in question is in question!

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chum, since you seem to be speaking from experience, I leave it to you to carry your argument to its 'logical' conclusion.

In a complementary token I'd best assume you personify the anatomical characteristics of the Barbie doll Ken.

At my old and ugly age? That would be a hoot.

But I'm sure I could still beat him in the bench press.

The anatomical personification in question is in question!

That's your question. At my age, I could care less.

diest sorry for taking so long to respond. You and i aren't going to see eye to eye. I will always believe abortion is murder/ you believe its a womans choice.

you said that a fetus in the womb is dependant upon his/her mother for survival so the mother should be given full control over that life. you do realize that a baby one minute outside of the womb would not survive anymore than a baby in the womb without a mother or some adult to nurture and care for him. its the same thing (atleast in my opinion)

and consider this:
you believe that abortion is the best solution given to women who find themselves in dire needs and pregnant. i believe that just because its quick and convenient, doesn't mean its the best.

100's of millions of our tax dollars go to fund abortions. if that money were taken from abortion funding and used to help the small statistic of women and teens who abort bc of bad circumstances, then there would be no excuse or need to abort.

if abortion were made illegal and that money used to pay for housing, medical bills and other financial needs....then millions of babies would be allowed to live. and then the majority of women who abort bc they are careless over and over again, would learn to take birth control and carry condoms.

Human's begin inheriting their rights at birth. The process of inheriting rights continues for some time until adulthood is reached. Adulthood, is defined differently by different cultures. What we have with abortion is a conflict of cultures. While your culture defines the first right of life to be inherited independant of the mother at conception, I represent a different culture that defines that point at some time after conception, but clearly at birth.

The Pro-choice movement is not about being pro-abortion, that's ludacris

Using the word "convienient" trivializes this whole issue. I wish it wasn't true, but sadly all too often abortion is the rational choice.

I'd like your source on this. I assume then you are also against spending billions on a war with people who haven't done anything to us? I assume you're against the next war that we start as well?

If you're trying to make the case that our national budget is too tight because of abortions, you will seriously need to make a strong case.

One last thing. The woman being careless always comes with a man being careless as well. I am too often sickened by how women seem to have to carry this burden alone. I'm sure you'll agree, I just wanted to make that addition.

Human's begin inheriting their rights at birth. The process of inheriting rights continues for some time until adulthood is reached. Adulthood, is defined differently by different cultures. What we have with abortion is a conflict of cultures. While your culture defines the first right of life to be inherited independant of the mother at conception, I represent a different culture that defines that point at some time after conception, but clearly at birth. The Pro-choice movement is not about being pro-abortion, that's ludacris. Pro-choice people do wish to trespass on anybody's pregnancy. You are still free and encouraged to have control over your life. Pro-choicers won't interfere.

The problem is that Pro-lifers are trespassing and violating the pro-choicers.

I'd be very interested to hear a few of the our A2K friends who rabidly support the necessity for legal abortion up to the point of birth, try to defend partial birth abortion.