When Does Life Begin?

kate, Those christian orgs that provide "housing and support" for pregnant women provide no choice for the mother; they try to brainwash them with scare tactics and about "killing a baby" if they are seeking abortion.

All women should have the support of a doctor - not religious zealots.

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Diest TKO wrote:

. . . So somebody tell me, what does the the beginning of life have to do with the practical solution? . . .

I'm not one to advocate legislation one way or the other. Yet, this statement is frightening.

Kate, honestly I'm disappointed in your responce. I certainly have come to the defence of many pro-lifers as far as generalizations in the past. My girlfriend happens to be pro-life. If we can find comprimise, then certainly there is one.

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Kate, honestly I'm disappointed in your responce. I certainly have come to the defence of many pro-lifers as far as generalizations in the past. My girlfriend happens to be pro-life. If we can find comprimise, then certainly there is one.

im not really sure which response you are disappointed about, but if its where i called you hypocritical, it was hypocritical. you didn't see anything wrong with the generalization made by CI until i made a similar generalization to prove a point. People on opposing sides of any issue should be able to disagree and discuss without insults.
and i'd still like to know where my sarcasm initiated CI's comment??

Kate, I get your point here about generalizations, but your sarcastic comment in truth was the first stone thrown in this long time debate. Pro-choice people have been fighting off this absurd characterization for as long as people have been arguing about this.

As for sarcasm, you made a comment in retort to CI about all pro-choicers being murderers.

I'm disappointed because you don't care what is meaningful

My position has been and always will be "it's the woman's choice."

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My position has been and always will be "it's the woman's choice."

how can you possibly say that? God has control over creation, destruction, life, and death. to say something that suggests we have the power over another's life would be saying we have God-like powers. If God didn't ultimately in his plan for creation want the birth to happen it wouldn't have happened.

cicerone imposter wrote:

My position has been and always will be "it's the woman's choice."

how can you possibly say that? God has control over creation, destruction, life, and death. to say something that suggests we have the power over another's life would be saying we have God-like powers. If God didn't ultimately in his plan for creation want the birth to happen it wouldn't have happened.

athelete518 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

My position has been and always will be "it's the woman's choice."

how can you possibly say that? God has control over creation, destruction, life, and death. to say something that suggests we have the power over another's life would be saying we have God-like powers. If God didn't ultimately in his plan for creation want the birth to happen it wouldn't have happened.

So if humans exercise any power of creation we have godlike powers? If we exercise any power of destruction we have godlike powers? It seems then that your argument is forgetting all the circumstances it affects.

I assume then you are against IVT, capitol punishment, war, the practice of medicine. These too would fall under your list of godlike powers we control. There is no god to govern as you describe.

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Kate, I get your point here about generalizations, but your sarcastic comment in truth was the first stone thrown in this long time debate. Pro-choice people have been fighting off this absurd characterization for as long as people have been arguing about this.

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As for sarcasm, you made a comment in retort to CI about all pro-choicers being murderers.

i am not sure if we are reading the same things. I didn't make a sarcastic comment until ci made his absurd generalization about prolifers. my comment wasn't the "first stone thrown". and it's obvious that my comment on prochoicers was exactly how i meant it to be; sarcasm to prove a point. and that point was proven when you (who had no problem with ci's ignorant statement) took offense to my ignorant statement. I was pointing out that mean spirited generalizations done by both sides is unnecessary in a debate. i dont believe all prochoicers are murderers that hate kids ( i have family and friends who are wonderful ppl that believe in abortion) i wasn't being rude and if you take offense or are disappointed then you missed my point entirely.

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I'm disappointed because you don't care what is meaningful

obviously we are of the different opinion on what is meaningful. i believe the unborn child's life is more meaningful than the freedom of a mother to abort that child.
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I know you didn't throw the first stone, I'm just saying that I hope you know that the stone you threw has been thrown before by others. For that matter, it was the first stone thrown. You seem to want protection from stereotypes, yet you fail to recognize your perpetuation of those stereotypes, then you call others hypocrites.

I'm curious, how many times do you use the term"pro-abortion?"

As for what is meaningful, you have lost all touch. If you can't see the differnce in a mother choosing to keep her child and a mother being forced, there is no hope for you, and it's disappointing. BTW, don't lecture me about what I believe. I find plenty of meaning in the unborn, I just won't liter it with facism, then parade around singing about how "the ends, fits the means."
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"...I find plenty of meaning in the unborn, I just won't liter it with facism, then parade around singing about how "the ends, fits the means."

"...I'm curious, how many times do you use the term"pro-abortion?"

As for what is meaningful, you have lost all touch. If you can't see the differnce in a mother choosing to keep her child and a mother being forced, there is no hope for you, and it's disappointing. BTW, don't lecture me about what I believe. I find plenty of meaning in the unborn..."