When Does Life Begin?

It appears that Chumly is saying a fetus may, in fact, be alive before it is ever conceived, and that abortion would simply lead to a new life cycle, perhaps as an asparagus. . . .

real life wrote:

Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid

Are any belief systems valid?

If I believe that reincarnation is false, and you believe it is true, then one of us is correct and the other is incorrect, yes?

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

Neo,
Given you appear to accept the inherent presupposition of a beginning as per "When Does Life Begin?" you would do well to substantiate reincarnation as false.

Congratulations:

You win the two Homers.

Are you saying Reincarnation is less valid than your Christian beliefs?

Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid, Chumly?

real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

Neo,
Given you appear to accept the inherent presupposition of a beginning as per "When Does Life Begin?" you would do well to substantiate reincarnation as false.

Congratulations:

You win the two Homers.

Are you saying Reincarnation is less valid than your Christian beliefs?

Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid, Chumly?

It appears that Chumly is saying a fetus may, in fact, be alive before it is ever conceived, and that abortion would simply lead to a new life cycle, perhaps as an asparagus. . . .

real life wrote:

If I believe that reincarnation is false, and you believe it is true, then one of us is correct and the other is incorrect, yes?

Or there could be another option - which is the truth - and we'd both be found to be wrong.

real life wrote:

If I believe that reincarnation is false, and you believe it is true, then one of us is correct and the other is incorrect, yes?

Or there could be another option - which is the truth - and we'd both be found to be wrong.

real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

Neo,
Given you appear to accept the inherent presupposition of a beginning as per "When Does Life Begin?" you would do well to substantiate reincarnation as false.

Congratulations:

You win the two Homers.

Are you saying Reincarnation is less valid than your Christian beliefs?

Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid, Chumly?

What makes you think I would say that?

ehBeth wrote:

Or there could be another option - which is the truth - and we'd both be found to be wrong.

What are you suggesting if the proposition is neither true nor false? What is your third option?

. . . I must first ask if you ate your vegetables today, then we can discuss the relative merits of your religion versus reincarnation.

I just wanted to see you stall without answering.

real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:

real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

Neo,
Given you appear to accept the inherent presupposition of a beginning as per "When Does Life Begin?" you would do well to substantiate reincarnation as false.

Congratulations:

You win the two Homers.

Are you saying Reincarnation is less valid than your Christian beliefs?

Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid, Chumly?

What makes you think I would say that?

I just wanted to see you stall without answering.

ehBeth was braver than you and tackled the question.

The question being what?

Actually the question was 'Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid, Chumly?'

real life wrote:

ehBeth wrote:

Or there could be another option - which is the truth - and we'd both be found to be wrong.

What are you suggesting if the proposition is neither true nor false? What is your third option?

well, it wouldn't be my option, so I'm not sure how I should know about it.

the god/s/supreme being/s may know, and we may find out, or perhaps they won't find us worthy.

~~~

as much as we each believe any number of things, there are more things we don't know - and may never discover the truth of.

being aware of our lack of knowledge - and staying open to learning what we can - I think that's what is important.

Chumly wrote:

. . . I must first ask if you ate your vegetables today, then we can discuss the relative merits of your religion versus reincarnation.

I must confess I ate some 4 bean salad and a piece of chicken. None of your relatives, I hope.

OH, I also put some coffee into boiling water.

Mea culpa!

real life wrote:

Actually the question was 'Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid, Chumly?'

What makes you think I would say that?

What makes you think I would say that?

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

. . . I must first ask if you ate your vegetables today, then we can discuss the relative merits of your religion versus reincarnation.

I must confess I ate some 4 bean salad and a piece of chicken. None of your relatives, I hope.

OH, I also put some coffee into boiling water.

Mea culpa!

I lack the inclination to believe in supernatural beans, however there is a Bean Bible

You stated that there could be another option.

I was wondering if you could elaborate on that.

But apparently you cannot.

Sturgis wrote:

Physically at conception. Once those cells start dividing it is a living thing.

Agreed. An obvious biological fact that is generally lost on the pro-abortion crowd.

And if one were an atheist, (and didn't believe there was a spiritual component to man i.e. man is only a biological/physical being, nothing more than a smart animal ), it would follow that, as far as the atheist is concerned , all of life begins at conception, wouldn't it?

But for the rest of us, the second part has relevance:

Sturgis wrote:

Spiritually at birth.

Interesting that you draw a distinction. Based on what?

Chumly wrote:

real life wrote:

Actually the question was 'Are you saying that all beliefs are equally valid, Chumly?'

What makes you think I would say that?

I don't think you would say that all beliefs are equally valid.

I don't think you would say that all beliefs are NOT equally valid.

In fact, I don't think you would take any position that might need to be defended.

I think you consider it clever to dodge any question by asking for definition of the simplest terms.

So in regard to your answer:

Chumly wrote:

What makes you think I would say that?

I will answer Chumly-like:

What do you mean by 'I' ?