When Does Life Begin?

USAF, I'm sure with a little effort, you can expand that to other "minorities" who threaten "our way of life." It all begins and ends with ignorance for people who must feel "superior" to any other group. They wish to control everything from birth, excuse me - from conception, to death.

Who the hell is Doc?

baddog1 wrote:

neologist wrote:

cicerone imposter, writing about real life in particular but pro life in general wrote:

He's out of his freaking mind. If he really cares about "life," why isn't he doing anything about the living children?

To which I have repeatedly asked:

If he were to finance an orphanage and adopt several parentless or disabled children, would that change your opinion of when life begins?

If you answer no, then why do you belabor the point? Do you like herring? If you answer yes . . .

:wink:

I'm not trying to force women to have their babies by calling it "murder" if they decide on abortion.

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

Part of your problem (and I know you are plagued with innumerable problems) is that you have not convincingly substantiated that there is a:

Moral question
Ethical question
Legal question
Medical question

And further if you are successful in convincingly substantiating said questions that in no way means you have convincingly substantiated that they should / must be answered.

No question? Rats! I thought for sure there was a question asked at the beginning of this thread.

Are you sure the question was not asked? Or is my question not a question?

Should it be answered? Why don't we ask the person who put the question mark at the beginning of the thread title? Or are we asking too much?

You certainly have a good grasp of the absurd, Chumly.

Unfortunately for both you and the original poster, the process of asking a question does not lend itself to an automatic condition whereby said question has convincing substantiation.

To abide by this question as you have without meeting my challenges places you at no better than the original poster in terms of following the trail of the absurd.

cicerone imposter wrote:

USAF, I'm sure with a little effort, you can expand that to other "minorities" who threaten "our way of life." It all begins and ends with ignorance for people who must feel "superior" to any other group. They wish to control everything from birth, excuse me - from conception, to death.

i suppose that's true... however, it seems that gays are the "lowest of the low" in that every other group, including all ethnicities, discriminate against them.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

USAF, I'm sure with a little effort, you can expand that to other "minorities" who threaten "our way of life." It all begins and ends with ignorance for people who must feel "superior" to any other group. They wish to control everything from birth, excuse me - from conception, to death.

i suppose that's true... however, it seems that gays are the "lowest of the low" in that every other group, including all ethnicities, discriminate against them.

If it could be proven that homosexuality is genetically derived, would you favor allowing a woman to abort because she didn't want her homosexual child to live?

I would not.

If you would, perhaps you are guilty of the 'discrimination' you are accusing others of.

real life wrote:

USAFHokie80 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

USAF, I'm sure with a little effort, you can expand that to other "minorities" who threaten "our way of life." It all begins and ends with ignorance for people who must feel "superior" to any other group. They wish to control everything from birth, excuse me - from conception, to death.

i suppose that's true... however, it seems that gays are the "lowest of the low" in that every other group, including all ethnicities, discriminate against them.

If it could be proven that homosexuality is genetically derived, would you favor allowing a woman to abort because she didn't want her homosexual child to live?

I would not.

If you would, perhaps you are guilty of the 'discrimination' you are accusing others of.

No, I wouldn't. That's my point. There are plenty of people that would though. My point in bringing up sexuality is that even as living, breathing, fully-grown adults, we don't consider gay people worthy of the same standard rights as the rest of the population.

It just seems backwards that so many people (oddly enough, it tends to be the same group) want an unborn fetus (which may or may not be "alive") to have the same rights as a born-and-growing person, but they don't want a gay person to have all of those rights.

USAFHokie80 wrote:

real life wrote:

USAFHokie80 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

USAF, I'm sure with a little effort, you can expand that to other "minorities" who threaten "our way of life." It all begins and ends with ignorance for people who must feel "superior" to any other group. They wish to control everything from birth, excuse me - from conception, to death.

i suppose that's true... however, it seems that gays are the "lowest of the low" in that every other group, including all ethnicities, discriminate against them.

If it could be proven that homosexuality is genetically derived, would you favor allowing a woman to abort because she didn't want her homosexual child to live?

I would not.

If you would, perhaps you are guilty of the 'discrimination' you are accusing others of.

No, I wouldn't. That's my point. There are plenty of people that would though. My point in bringing up sexuality is that even as living, breathing, fully-grown adults, we don't consider gay people worthy of the same standard rights as the rest of the population.

It just seems backwards that so many people (oddly enough, it tends to be the same group) want an unborn fetus (which may or may not be "alive") to have the same rights as a born-and-growing person, but they don't want a gay person to have all of those rights.

So if you do not favor allowing a woman to abort because she thinks the child will be a homosexual, do you think it should be illegal to abort in that instance?

What if a woman wants only a son? Should she be allowed to abort if it's a girl? Should it be illegal to do so?

real life wrote:

USAFHokie80 wrote:

real life wrote:

USAFHokie80 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

USAF, I'm sure with a little effort, you can expand that to other "minorities" who threaten "our way of life." It all begins and ends with ignorance for people who must feel "superior" to any other group. They wish to control everything from birth, excuse me - from conception, to death.

i suppose that's true... however, it seems that gays are the "lowest of the low" in that every other group, including all ethnicities, discriminate against them.

If it could be proven that homosexuality is genetically derived, would you favor allowing a woman to abort because she didn't want her homosexual child to live?

I would not.

If you would, perhaps you are guilty of the 'discrimination' you are accusing others of.

No, I wouldn't. That's my point. There are plenty of people that would though. My point in bringing up sexuality is that even as living, breathing, fully-grown adults, we don't consider gay people worthy of the same standard rights as the rest of the population.

It just seems backwards that so many people (oddly enough, it tends to be the same group) want an unborn fetus (which may or may not be "alive") to have the same rights as a born-and-growing person, but they don't want a gay person to have all of those rights.

So if you do not favor allowing a woman to abort because she thinks the child will be a homosexual, do you think it should be illegal to abort in that instance?

What if a woman wants only a son? Should she be allowed to abort if it's a girl? Should it be illegal to do so?

Seriously, how many times do I need to explain myself? As I have said MANY MANY MANY times, I am not a supported or random abortions because the mother just wants to or is too irresponsible to take care of a child. That being said, I don't think making is illegal across the board is a good idea.

I'm not sure what the answer is. I'm not sure there is a definitive answer at all.