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When Does Life Begin?

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 09:20 am
For the answer to the question 'when does life begin?' I suggest a wait and see approach. Lets say 20 years or so. Then we can ask the zygote itself to provide an opinion.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 10:48 am
neo, The zygote has already expressed an opinion; there are many articles on this subject.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:44 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
The zygote has already expressed an opinion


This is the funniest thing posted on A2K for months. Laughing

Exactly how do zygotes express their opinions, CI?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:45 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
neo, The zygote has already expressed an opinion; there are many articles on this subject.
Any twenty plus year old zygotes who wish to chime in here? This is your chance.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:49 pm
Rats. I'm a much older zygote than that.

I'm an old gote.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:50 pm
real life wrote:
Rats. I'm a much older zygote than that.

I'm an old gote.
NYAAAHHH!

Yer only as old as ya think
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:35 pm
A little humour doesn't hurt, heh? LOL
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 01:56 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
A little humour doesn't hurt, heh? LOL
We know you're older than the rest of us put together. . . :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:37 pm
You're wrong; you didn't add a few decades after adding all of you'ze together in the calculation! Can't you get anything right?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:38 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
You're wrong; you didn't add a few decades after adding all of you'ze together in the calculation! Can't you get anything right?
Well, you just LOOK old.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 07:01 pm
I thought'd we'd nearly solved this question to everone's satisfaction. Life doesn't begin, it continues. It's possible life only began once, a very long time ago.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:15 pm
Eorl, are we still talking about CI? :wink:
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 08:32 pm
You know, this conversation has been terribly void of good discussion on Stem cell cultivation. Personally I'd separate the two topics, but as per the first post in this thread by baddog1, that is the equally the question at hand.

I think it is much easier for the right-to-life-right to attack "abortionists" and make a play to say that abortion is a profit driven industry full of conspiring sadists than it is to attack wit such conviction those countless people who are ill and could seriously benifit from stem cell reseach. The "best," or at least strongest play to attack stem cell cultivation is by good ole RL, and that was merely an attempt to make the issue about stem cells can build a evil money machine and an evil conspiracy of thousands of people working to get their piece. Of course after gatting fact rammed down his throat, RL doesn't talk to lil ole me anymore.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:37 pm
Sure, or any type of human cloning or artificial growth promotion methodologies such as fertility drugs.

It also would seem anything that artificially interferes with the "natural god given" promotion of human reproduction / growth such as condoms or antibiotics would also be suspect.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:42 pm
My "life" started back in the Abuzz days of yore. That's a long, long, time ago.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 12:21 pm
Chumly wrote:
Sure, or any type of human cloning or artificial growth promotion methodologies such as fertility drugs.

It also would seem anything that artificially interferes with the "natural god given" promotion of human reproduction / growth such as condoms or antibiotics would also be suspect.


Condoms are not an issue in the abortion debate.

Prevention of fertilization doesn't kill a fertilized egg, does it?

The abortion issue is 'who has a right to end an innocent human life?'

Read your biology textbook from the 7th grade.

Eggs and sperm do not have the correct amount of chromosomes to be living human beings.

But, please, do keep bringing up this ridiculous objection, as you have frequently done in the past.

The more foolish your objections, the more that others will see thru the flimsy arguments used by pro-abortion folks like yourself.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 04:24 pm
real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:
Sure, or any type of human cloning or artificial growth promotion methodologies such as fertility drugs.

It also would seem anything that artificially interferes with the "natural god given" promotion of human reproduction / growth such as condoms or antibiotics would also be suspect.


Condoms are not an issue in the abortion debate.

Certainly not, but it's still relavant. The discussion is described as: "when does life begin," which has an answer. the answer however is a part of the larger topics of the moral, ethical, and legal issues of reproductive rights/legislation.

Birth control certainly falls into this active dialogue.
real life wrote:

Prevention of fertilization doesn't kill a fertilized egg, does it?

Sure doesn't. Tell the Pope. For that matter tell as many people as you can. Tell them to wear condoms; get on a form of birth control, etc. A better education on this topic would resolve so much on both ends of this debate.
real life wrote:

The abortion issue is 'who has a right to end an innocent human life?'

By current political trends, if you wish to take innocent lives, you need to be the President.

But specifically in this arena, it's between the state/federal and the mother/couple. I side with the mother/couple as I see no need for the government to make that choice; the social climate does not require government intrusion.
real life wrote:

Read your biology textbook from the 7th grade.

Chumly, he's actually asking you to read HIS biology book from the 7th grade: The Bible. You can skip over the part where man is made from dust and woman from his rib though.
real life wrote:

Eggs and sperm do not have the correct amount of chromosomes to be living human beings.

And a embryo doesn't have the ability to feed or breathe without a HOST, nor can it think. The issue is not resolved here. BTW, orphans do however have these abilities, and your desired number of chromozones, go preach to them about to them about the innocent without voices.
real life wrote:

But, please, do keep bringing up this ridiculous objection, as you have frequently done in the past.

Please continue to parade your non-answers as fact when in truth you have not the courage to have your ideas challenged.
real life wrote:

The more foolish your objections, the more that others will see thru the flimsy arguments used by pro-abortion folks like yourself.


The truth hurts
Keep singing that song
One trick pony
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 08:23 pm
Contraception is a red herring in this argument.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 08:36 pm
neologist wrote:
Contraception is a red herring in this argument.


Not true.

Sexual education and the use of contraception is very related to the Abortion debate.

For instance, how can one argue against someone having an abortion AND additionally speak against their use of birth control? Especially if they are basing their primary arguement on when sperm and egg unite? Even if someone doesn't speak against birth control, but uses the chromozone arguement, the issue of birth control remains relavant.

T
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2007 10:24 pm
Outside the context of extramarital sex, the act of contraception is morally neutral, the caterwauls of misguided religionists notwithstanding.

There is a galaxy of difference between contraception and abortion.
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