cicerone imposter wrote:Lacking any evidence? Where have you been living all these years? Women make the choice every day to have an abortion.
Good luck in trying to stop them; with laws or no laws.
The number of illegal abortions that took place prior to Roe v Wade was a tiny fraction of the abortions that take place today when it is allowed by the courts.
To suggest that the legality, (or illegality) of an activity will have no effect on it's frequency is ludicrous and unsupportable.
real life wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:Lacking any evidence? Where have you been living all these years? Women make the choice every day to have an abortion.
Good luck in trying to stop them; with laws or no laws.
The number of illegal abortions that took place prior to Roe v Wade was a tiny fraction of the abortions that take place today when it is allowed by the courts.
To suggest that the legality, (or illegality) of an activity will have no effect on it's frequency is ludicrous and unsupportable.
There is no such record of how many abortions were taking place prior to Roe V. Wade. Further, the issue of abortion transends the UNited states, and there are planty of abortions in countries that abortion is illegal. Enough for that fact to put your foot in your mouth.
While real continues to put foot in mouth, he also ignores infant mortality.
Infant mortality
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The international levels of infant mortality, depicted as the number of deaths in a thousand births.Infant mortality is the death of infants in the first year of life. The leading causes of infant mortality are dehydration and disease.
Major causes of infant mortality in more developed countries include congenital malformation, infection and SIDS. The most common cause of infant mortality of all children around the world has traditionally been dehydration from diarrhea. Because of the success of spreading information about Oral Rehydration Solution (a mixture of salts, sugar and water) to mothers around the world, the rate of children dying from dehydration has been decreasing and has become the second most common cause in the late 1990s. Currently the most common cause is pneumonia.
Infanticide, abuse, abandonment, and neglect may also contribute to infant mortality.
From 2005 (the top 15):
This is a list of countries by infant mortality rate, based on The World Factbook, 2005 estimates.[1]
The infant mortality rate (IMR) is reported as number of live newborns dying under a year of age per one thousand live births.
Rank Country or region Infant mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births)
1 Angola 197.8
2 Afghanistan 155.09
3 Sierra Leone 162.55
4 Liberia 161.99
5 Mozambique 130.79
6 Niger 119.69
7 Somalia 116.70
8 Tajikistan 110.76
9 Mali 109.47
10 Guinea-Bissau 105.32
11 Djibouti 104.13
12 Bhutan 100.44
13 Nigeria 98.80
14 Tanzania 98.54
15 Malawi 96.14
cicerone imposter wrote:While real continues to put foot in mouth, he also ignores infant mortality.
Infant mortality
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
For early system failures, see bathtub curve.
The international levels of infant mortality, depicted as the number of deaths in a thousand births.Infant mortality is the death of infants in the first year of life. The leading causes of infant mortality are dehydration and disease.
Major causes of infant mortality in more developed countries include congenital malformation, infection and SIDS. The most common cause of infant mortality of all children around the world has traditionally been dehydration from diarrhea. Because of the success of spreading information about Oral Rehydration Solution (a mixture of salts, sugar and water) to mothers around the world, the rate of children dying from dehydration has been decreasing and has become the second most common cause in the late 1990s. Currently the most common cause is pneumonia.
Infanticide, abuse, abandonment, and neglect may also contribute to infant mortality.
From 2005 (the top 15):
This is a list of countries by infant mortality rate, based on The World Factbook, 2005 estimates.[1]
The infant mortality rate (IMR) is reported as number of live newborns dying under a year of age per one thousand live births.
Rank Country or region Infant mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births)
1 Angola 197.8
2 Afghanistan 155.09
3 Sierra Leone 162.55
4 Liberia 161.99
5 Mozambique 130.79
6 Niger 119.69
7 Somalia 116.70
8 Tajikistan 110.76
9 Mali 109.47
10 Guinea-Bissau 105.32
11 Djibouti 104.13
12 Bhutan 100.44
13 Nigeria 98.80
14 Tanzania 98.54
15 Malawi 96.14
If you are concerned about children dying, then why do you support abortion, CI?
It must be nice to be you RL.
1) You don't have to answer anyone's questions.
2) You don't have to acknowledge others if it's inconvieniant.
3) You're not troubled by the big picture.
4) You're confident.
5) Lastly, you're ignorent andstupid. This however must be a benifit because it makes seeing magic shows more entertaining.
Why do you continue to expect people to read your posts and answer your questions, if you wont answer their questions.
real, You are ignorant and stupid. How many times must I tell you and everybody else on this thread, I'm not in favor of abortion. I'm in favor of leaving that decision up to the woman. GOT THAT? Yet?
Your continued emphasis in favoring the fetus over the mother is not logical or ethical when you can't even help those children already alive and starving/dying.
You fail on the hypocrisy test; your supposed medical knowledge has no bearing on the living children of this world. Your only point is that a fetus is a human baby. You only forgot about all the living children.
wow this is getting heated.........
WHy is it that when abortion is discussed a person will accuse a prolifer of not caring enough about children in poverty. That really has no relevance to the issue, and very judgemental. Real life is just defending the rights of those that don't have a vote yet. This doesn't in any way mean that he cares nothing for children in other situations.
kate, Fetus' doesn't have a right to vote - even after they are born. One must be 18, a US citizen, and without a criminal record to vote.
Real life's posts are useful (at least to me) in that it allows me to see how various devices are used (with greater or lesser skill) to try and establish points of view that although untenable are certainly popular.
And we are all familiar with the power of popular viewpoints, despite the logical fallacy "argumentum ad populum".
Pro-Life is a hypocritical stance. They calim to be righteous people, but I've seen my share of pro-life nutjobs harrassing young terrified girls outside of places like planned parenthood. I'm not sure whose intrest they think their serving. What a crock of ****.
cicerone sorry typo... i meant..."a voice yet".....
yeah your right stereo. it's very intelligent of you to judge all the millions of prolifers by a few who scream at kids. And lets forget all the organizations set up by prolifers to help young scared pregnant girls, giving them alternatives to abortion, financial help and counseling.
Not having a voice is irrelavant if we never listen to those who DO have voices.
kate4christ03 wrote:yeah your right stereo. it's very intelligent of you to judge all the millions of prolifers by a few who scream at kids. And lets forget all the organizations set up by prolifers to help young scared pregnant girls, giving them alternatives to abortion, financial help and counseling.
What is funny to me is that those Pro0lifers that earn my respect are the ones who are honestly pro-choice. If you don't believe me, think about it. The prolifers that you are describing Kate are people who want to encourage people to CHOOSE to keep a child through compassion and enabling them for success, as opposed to fear of penalty.
You're right, a genralization is incorrect, but not a generalization about what people do, but by what people ARE.
I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro choice. I personally choose to support solutions to abortion which do not include the removal of our liberties or stadardize morality etc. These solutions do exist and their are many people working towards similar goals.
TKO the prolifers that i just described are the same ones who are vehemently against choice in the case of abortion. someone like me. i don't hate or attack anyone who has had an abortion, but i truly believe its wrong and should be illegal. i also believe that as a christian, i have a responsibility to: 1. stand against abortion 2. support better solutions.
kate4christ03 wrote:yeah your right stereo. it's very intelligent of you to judge all the millions of prolifers by a few who scream at kids. And lets forget all the organizations set up by prolifers to help young scared pregnant girls, giving them alternatives to abortion, financial help and counseling.
Fair enough. But this is what is put on display. If this truely is not what pro-life is about, why doesn't the majority (as you have described) condemn such behaivors?
I'm not calling you a liar, but what pro-life programs are out there for the bennit of the mother. Most programs/organizations I know about are more pro-choice.
Stand against abortion for who's sake? Yours? If you truly are "prolife," try helping those children/babies already alive that needs your support for food, shelter and health care. After that crisis is taken care of, you can begin to work on "anti-abortion" laws - not before.
I Stereo wrote:kate4christ03 wrote:yeah your right stereo. it's very intelligent of you to judge all the millions of prolifers by a few who scream at kids. And lets forget all the organizations set up by prolifers to help young scared pregnant girls, giving them alternatives to abortion, financial help and counseling.
Fair enough. But this is what is put on display. If this truely is not what pro-life is about, why doesn't the majority (as you have described) condemn such behaivors?
I'm not calling you a liar, but what pro-life programs are out there for the bennit of the mother. Most programs/organizations I know about are more pro-choice.
I'm not sure that Pro-life organizations are centerd around the bennifit of th mother.
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