When Does Life Begin?

Bartikus wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
Truce
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I don't really have a beef with you. We are 2 different people who has lived 2 totally different lives you know?

I wish the best for you even if you do aggravate me.

Same to you chum. You have a weird sense of humor and can take things lightly. Maybe I should lighten up a little.

Not such a bad quality I suppose.

Getting mean and nasty is soooooo draining.

No, I'm not ready to smoke any piece pipe but might have a drink or 2. Here's to you! lol

I still think abortion is like one of the worst choices that can be made and the most unfortunate.So much so..... I wish it was'nt.......ok that's all folks.

We are about a month away from my truce thread where people can come together and remind each other that we're all people, and despite beliefs we can be civil. I may bump up it's schedule for sake of the holidays and good spirit.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Same to you chum. You have a weird sense of humor and can take things lightly. Maybe I should lighten up a little.

Just be whomever you wanna be that's the beauty (and the beast) of A2K!

Diest TKO wrote:

Getting mean and nasty is soooooo draining.

I used to regularly argue real life into a little dark corner only to find that some time later he would be singing the exact same tune. Now with Barty it is just conceivable that he will become more open-minded with time, as long as we don't get so confrontational that he becomes permanently defensive and reactionary.

Remember TKO, Barty is here for a reason, and I doubt it's simply and only to express his absolutist position over and over; for that - as I am sure he already knows - can be much more comfortably established in church.

With Neo for example, over the last year on A2K, I have seen a change in his A2K persona in that he more openly questions his absolutist positions.

With my wife of 10 years for example, I have seen a similar thing albeit she is nowhere near as introspective or well versed as Neo. Nonetheless she started out claiming herself as a a definitive Christian and now she will admit that she does not know what a Christian is, that the bible contains many absurdities and direct contradictions and that there is no reason to expect that religion supplies any level of ethics beyond and/or equal to non-religion.

As to my brand of humor I sometimes employ both "anti-humor" and the non sequitur for comic effect. The non sequitur for comic effect is often called "absurd-humor". Google them if you wish.

In any case, I am more than capable of disintegrating most any absolutist position I see fit to engage; however humor can be the best weapon of the debunker!

As the Beach Boys said "Be true to your school" but as Chumly said "All is not what it seems"

Be true to your school
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beach+boys/be+true+to+your+school_20013905.html

All is not what it seems
http://www.revisionguru.co.uk/business/promnot_files/frame.htm

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It seems the misquoting continues.

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Chumly, I've always enjoyed your persona on a2k, and hope some day to meet you face-to-face at one of our frequent gatherings.

I wish I had some of your good qualities, but at my age it's hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Chumly, I've always enjoyed your persona on a2k, and hope some day to meet you face-to-face at one of our frequent gatherings.

I wish I had some of your good qualities, but at my age it's hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

You mean qualities such as actually answering somebody? Yes, you could do well to learn from Chumly.

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Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Chumly, I've always enjoyed your persona on a2k, and hope some day to meet you face-to-face at one of our frequent gatherings.

I wish I had some of your good qualities, but at my age it's hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

You mean qualities such as actually answering somebody? Yes, you could do well to learn from Chumly.

Show me where I have not answered a direct question.

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Fancy marrying a Beach Boys fan.

Anyway Chum- you can tell your good lady that there is every reason to expect that religion supplies a level of ethics beyond and/or equal to non-religion. Non religion cannot supply any ethics that I can think of. So there isn't much to supplying levels above that.

Non religion can, of course, supply rules and regulations and conditioning and etiquette hierarchies just as has been done with table manners. Notice your variations in behaviour in different settings for what a atheist can only call "chomping your way through the nutrient bed". See what conditioning is rather than allow yourself to believe that conditioning is something that happens to others. Dimwits. All atheist regimes, which I presume is what you seek to achieve for us, have very elaborate regulations and conditioning techniques and they do etiquette hierarchies like billy-oH ! And it all derives from a bureaucratic source. Man made.

Obviously it soon becomes paralysed although access to natural resources might delay that. Bureaucracies have a tendency to spawn offshoots you see. The people who staff bureaucracies don't wish to see their offspring collecting garbage or drilling holes in the road and they don't wish to give up their jobs to them so they invent jobs and it snowballs. With the staff celibate no such problems arise.

So I think your wife was originally correct and a good Christian is one who does his/her best to stick to the Sermon on the Mount.

Our left-wing ruling Party is under Police investigation under a law our left-wing ruling party brought in. It's hilarious.

BTW- Have you any absolutist positions you think are solid?

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c.i. wrote-

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Show me where I have not answered a direct question.

I think there might be one or two examples, maybe more--I lost count--on wande's astonishing thread.

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spendius wrote:

c.i. wrote-

Quote:
Show me where I have not answered a direct question.

I think there might be one or two examples, maybe more--I lost count--on wande's astonishing thread.

spendi, You wax nonsense. Show me the beef?

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You know very well I don't look back except on special occasions maybe.

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spend, If you aren't willing to task/back up your statekments, don't bother making them.

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You have never answered any one of my many questions on the ID thread unless it was like "what time is it there?" All the evidence is posted up there month after month. You wouldn't even discuss the social consequences of getting rid of religious influences.

I don't care if others think you are right in what you say. They can suit themselves. It's all on the record. The record backs up what I say and dozens if not hundreds of times.

Do you think that an assertion is true just because it was the one blurted out last?

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No, spendi, you're not even paraphrasing correctly. Show me thread name, date of post, and the question I didn't answer?

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Come on c.i. You can't seriously expect me to start traipsing back down the thread.

Anybody interested can do that. Your assertions are relying on there being nobody willing to do so.

It's no skin off my nose. The record speaks for itself. It wasn't me who evaded all those questions. It was you mate.

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spendi, Your empty accusations are useless. Evidence is what matters, not your penny's worth of nothings.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

........hope some day to meet you face-to-face at one of our frequent gatherings.

It would be fun ! Maybe this coming year if all goes well.

spendius wrote:

BTW- Have you any absolutist positions you think are solid?

Yep!I am willing to accept this absolutist position: everything is transient until such time as the second law of thermodynamics is no longer applicable.

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Chumly wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
Same to you chum. You have a weird sense of humor and can take things lightly. Maybe I should lighten up a little.
Just be whomever you wanna be that's the beauty (and the beast) of A2K!

Diest TKO wrote:
Getting mean and nasty is soooooo draining.
I used to regularly argue real life into a little dark corner only to find that some time later he would be singing the exact same tune. Now with Barty it is just conceivable that he will become more open-minded with time, as long as we don't get so confrontational that he becomes permanently defensive and reactionary.

Remember TKO, Barty is here for a reason, and I doubt it's simply and only to express his absolutist position over and over; for that - as I am sure he already knows - can be much more comfortably established in church.

With Neo for example, over the last year on A2K, I have seen a change in his A2K persona in that he more openly questions his absolutist positions.

With my wife of 10 years for example, I have seen a similar thing albeit she is nowhere near as introspective or well versed as Neo. Nonetheless she started out claiming herself as a a definitive Christian and now she will admit that she does not know what a Christian is, that the bible contains many absurdities and direct contradictions and that there is no reason to expect that religion supplies any level of ethics beyond and/or equal to non-religion.

As to my brand of humor I sometimes employ both "anti-humor" and the non sequitur for comic effect. The non sequitur for comic effect is often called "absurd-humor". Google them if you wish.

In any case, I am more than capable of disintegrating most any absolutist position I see fit to engage; however humor can be the best weapon of the debunker!

As the Beach Boys said "Be true to your school" but as Chumly said "All is not what it seems"

Be true to your school
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beach+boys/be+true+to+your+school_20013905.html

All is not what it seems
http://www.revisionguru.co.uk/business/promnot_files/frame.htm

I'm pickin' up good vibrations.

T
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cicerone imposter wrote:

No, spendi, you're not even paraphrasing correctly. Show me thread name, date of post, and the question I didn't answer?

Here's just a few of many ci - and all with the member real life. No doubt you and/or someone else will make an off-color remark about RL, however the fact remains that there are many questions you do not answer.

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2393119#2393119

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2520539#2520539

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2565769#2565769

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2565771#2565771

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2566397#2566397

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Absolutely!!

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real life wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
real wrote: But it's still an attempt to chose between two wrong answers, and more importantly, it's not a scenario that has any real relationship to the actual everyday issue that the abortion question presents.

Real can recognize "any real relationship to actual everyday issue," but refuses to acknowledge that it doesn't affect him personally in any way when a woman he doesn't even know has an abortion, but wants to impose his religious' belief anyway.

Child molestation doesn't affect me in any way, since I'm not a child.

Does that mean it shouldn't be illegal, or that adults shouldn't care if it is legal?

You're striking out , CI (even though you're shouting big blue words at me). Maybe you should try logic instead.

Most people will understand why it wasn't necessary to answer real's question; there's no relationship between the prolifer's intrusion into a complete stranger's personal choice on abortion against "child molestation." Roe vs Wade allows a woman the right to an abortion; there are no laws that allows child molestation. DUH!

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