When Does Life Begin?

Typo on my behalf. I'm big enough to admit it.

Should have read...

first trimester - elective, woman at risk
second trimester - elective after consultation, woman at risk
third trimester - woman at risk

Sorry to let you down.

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Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
My apologies, cutting and pasting can get confusing, especially with the two of you. You sound pretty much the same.

I wasn't aware people could harmonize while speaking in tongues. Enjoy the kool-aide.

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Your debating style is deteriorating faster than your ability to distinguish between posters.

You have still not answered my question. Don't bother asking which one....it was clear on the previous post.

Also, perhaps you would like to elaborate on what your remark regarding kool-aid is about.

The answer to your question is that My replies are to the comments not the poster. Getting my cut and paste incorrectly and then addressing Bart is hardly concerning for me. You Jealous Treppy?

As for my debate style, I'll admit I'm off my game. I'm in the final weeks of the semester and projects are abound. It's finals season. Debating with pro-lifers is pretty low tier on my task tray.

However, I realy don't need my A-game to survive in this thread.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Typo on my behalf. I'm big enough to admit it.

Should have read...

first trimester - elective, woman at risk
second trimester - elective after consultation, woman at risk
third trimester - woman at risk

Sorry to let you down.

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A typo is an error in spelling. You completely changed the word. That is not a typo. Rather, you seem to have changed your position.... not your spelling.

You have still not replied to my recent post.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Typo on my behalf. I'm big enough to admit it.

Should have read...

first trimester - elective, woman at risk
second trimester - elective after consultation, woman at risk
third trimester - woman at risk

Sorry to let you down.

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Sorry to let you down balanced one.

That's no typi....I mean typo! lol Laughing

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Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
My apologies, cutting and pasting can get confusing, especially with the two of you. You sound pretty much the same.

I wasn't aware people could harmonize while speaking in tongues. Enjoy the kool-aide.

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Your debating style is deteriorating faster than your ability to distinguish between posters.

You have still not answered my question. Don't bother asking which one....it was clear on the previous post.

Also, perhaps you would like to elaborate on what your remark regarding kool-aid is about.

The answer to your question is that My replies are to the comments not the poster. Getting my cut and paste incorrectly and then addressing Bart is hardly concerning for me. You Jealous Treppy?

As for my debate style, I'll admit I'm off my game. I'm in the final weeks of the semester and projects are abound. It's finals season. Debating with pro-lifers is pretty low tier on my task tray.

However, I realy don't need my A-game to survive in this thread.

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Au, contraire mon ami.

I am not really interested in your final weeks of semester. Nothing to do with the topic and just an excuse for your lack of answers to the hard questions.

Perhaps the embryos should have the same chance at survival as you do.

Again, what does your kool-aid remark mean?

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Bartikus wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

The only time I refer to a woman as a mother is if she has given birth.

Oh I thought you were referring to a woman as a mother here:

you know....before birth.

Diest TKO wrote:

first trimester - elective, mother at risk
second trimester - elective after consultation, mother at risk
third trimester - mother at risk

That's how I see balance.

OOps! BaLance is gOOd Diest!

Let me know when you find some. You might be able to quote the right person then....among other thingz.

Diest TKO wrote:

Typo on my behalf. I'm big enough to admit it.

Should have read...

first trimester - elective, woman at risk
second trimester - elective after consultation, woman at risk
third trimester - woman at risk

Sorry to let you down.

Typo
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Typo or.........DECEPTION? BiG BalanceD One?

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Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
Typo on my behalf. I'm big enough to admit it.

Should have read...

first trimester - elective, woman at risk
second trimester - elective after consultation, woman at risk
third trimester - woman at risk

Sorry to let you down.

Typo
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A typo is an error in spelling. You completely changed the word. That is not a typo. Rather, you seem to have changed your position.... not your spelling.

You have still not replied to my recent post.

I'm not interested in your definition of which mistake I made. I've changed no such position. I have clearified what I should have posted despite my error.

Oh and drinking Kool-aide is an obvious reference to suicide cults. Your pre packaged beliefs remind me much of how easy people can vomit out things and be so self-rightious. Just like Jim Jones and the People's Temple or Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God.

So drink your Kool-aid, and watch for comets. Iron your track suit, and say your prayers. I really don't care.

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I am not really interested in your final weeks of semester. Nothing to do with the topic and just an excuse for your lack of answers to the hard questions.

Don't flatter yourself. Your questions aren't hard.

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Perhaps the embryos should have the same chance at survival as you do.

Perhaps, but you can't even provide an equal playing field for those already born. Perhaps every embryo should have the same chance at survival as me. This includes but is not limited to...

1. Food & Water
2. Shelter
3. Adult humans to protect me
4. People to supervize my development
5. Resources alloted for my promotion
6. An education from a well funded school
7. Goverment Aid for college tuition
8. Health care
9. A growing job market
10. A stable economy
11. A neighborhood as safe as mine
12. A career as stable as mine
13. A car with insurance

I'm no fool to not recognize how fortunate I am, but don't lecture about equitty. I don't take for granted what I have, by trivializing what it takes for me to have it. It takes a village to raise a child. Banning abortion, puts a expectation on the world that the world cannot meet by any stretch of the imagination. The pro-life belief is fine for individuals, but it is absolutely unethical as a legal initiative to ban all abortion. More than unethical, it is a fools cake baked by those who don't want to eat it.

Tell those Neo-cons with all the evangelical money to use their resources to better the lower working classes. They have enough money and power to make Solomon blush and yet they are but humble christian soldiers.

The sadest part about so many Pro-lifers is that they trust their republican champions to fight the evils of abortion, yet are totally blind to their behavior. Isn't it obvious that they don't care about anyone but themselves and maybe (just maybe) their close circle of friends? What makes you think they actually care to chage a single thing? What makes you think they give a damn about an embryo? If they give a damn, it's only to make themselves look good.

The best thing the Religious Right has is the marketability of abortion. It's a great way to get into office. All you have to do is present a seemingly sincere soundbyte about how abortion is immoral and the stupid american religious conservatives will go sprinting to the poles.

Pro-life is fine as a personal belief, it makes sence in this domain, but as a legal stance on abortion, it's BS.

Takes a village
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fungotheclown wrote:

Another thing to keep in mind is that supporting a cause does not necessarily correlate with supporting how that cause is carried out. For example, I am philosophically for capital punishment, but I don't think it is an appropriate measure within our judicial and legal system as they currently stand. There seems to be disagreement as to whether we are arguing pro-choice or pro-life based on principle alone or based upon how it would practically play out in the real world as it currently stands. Can someone please clarify which we are discussing so we can focus the debate a little?

I'd prefer to talk about how it plays out in the real world. I see this as the only relevant discussion when it comes to the legal issue. If discussion is to be had on the moralistic terms, it really is not relavant to law.

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Sglass wrote:

I have often wondered what percentage of the world's population is due to unplanned and unwanted pregnancies?

Gentlemen, inquiring minds need to know.

I don't know about the world, but in the US 49% (2003).

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At least Diest has the honesty to correct past mistakes; unlike all those who make mountains out of "moe" hills.

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The New York City District Attorney Arthur Branch* on Law & Order said words to this effect: "I am not really for abortion, but I accept it's none of my business."

*As played by Fred Thompson: former United States Republican senator, prosecutor, accomplished film and television actor, 2008 Republican presidential nominee.

Fred Thompson himself has been quoted as saying: "I do not believe abortion should be criminalized. This battle will be won in the hearts and souls of the American people."

However Tony Perkins, president of the influential Family Research Council, said he is confident of Thompson's anti-abortion credentials.
"Record trumps rhetoric," Perkins said

Darla St. Martin, co-executive director of National Right to Life Committee, said she came to Tennessee in 1994 to meet with Thompson. "I eyeballed him and listened" and came away satisfied he was anti-abortion, St. Martin said. "The key is how he voted."

http://savearthurbranch.blogspot.com/2007/06/thompson-survey-said-i-do-not-believe.html

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cicerone imposter wrote:

At least Diest has the honesty to correct past mistakes; unlike all those who make mountains out of "moe" hills.

Sure and the audacity to suggest that posters commit suicide. Your guy is a real hero, isn't he.

Rolling Eyes

I am considering reporting him.

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Intrepid, Anyone who corrects past mistakes does not make him/her a hero. Where do you live?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Intrepid, Anyone who corrects past mistakes does not make him/her a hero. Where do you live?

You don't get the point do you? Your interpretation of what I said differs from what I said.

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Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid, Anyone who corrects past mistakes does not make him/her a hero. Where do you live?

You don't get the point do you? Your interpretation of what I said differs from what I said.

Good medicine says me. If you want to report me, go ahead. I hardly suggested suicide as much as I pointed out cultish mantra. It's pretty far divorced from Barty wanting to meet with me in person so "things might go different."

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Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid, Anyone who corrects past mistakes does not make him/her a hero. Where do you live?

You don't get the point do you? Your interpretation of what I said differs from what I said.

Good medicine says me. If you want to report me, go ahead. I hardly suggested suicide as much as I pointed out cultish mantra. It's pretty far divorced from Barty wanting to meet with me in person so "things might go different."

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Diest wrote: (in part)

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So drink your Kool-aid, and watch for comets. Iron your track suit, and say your prayers. I really don't care.

In Bartikus' case, he was talking about civil conversations generally happening in person rather than the smartass comments that are given behind the safety and anonymity of a keyboard. He made no threat to you (from what I read) he was just trying to get you to try to be more civil in your rantings.

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Yeah... sure...

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In Bartikus' case, he was talking about civil conversations generally happening in person rather than the smartass comments that are given behind the safety and anonymity of a keyboard. He made no threat to you (from what I read) he was just trying to get you to try to be more civil in your rantings.

Above in red: Safety? Safety from what exactly Treppy? I thought you were making the claim that I'd encounter no such threat based on his post. Seems to me that you fully acknowledge what he was implying.

It's so good to be here in the Mechanical Engineering Building. I'm so SAFE here. Much more SAFE than any of the other plaes I go. I should take the keyboard with me when I go to East St. Louis next time.

The truth is that I am quite used to debate, debate in person too. If Barty wants to try and back pedal out of saying he threatened me, and you want to help him, I really don't care. I'm not threatened by him, and had we been in person, his debate would have gone even worse for him.

There's no way to avoid questions for days in person without being called on it.

Bart is a coward, and he earned it. I gave him a second chance for respect, and he opted to not take it. Now it seems he whines every other post on how he is picked on or singled out. He wants the attention and he singled himself out, not me or anyone else for that matter.

Big picture, this is a waste to time. Fungo tried to redirect the thread back to the topic, and it seems Barty and you only wish to thrown ad homenims until Jesus, Weezer, or the McRib returns.

For those in the pro-life crowd that think that people who abort have a skewed view of life, what do you say to the fact that the same number of abortions are performed on women who have had 0 births as women who have had 4+ births?

I can understand your theory if the woman simply didn't know what to expect, but if you've already had 4 babies, you understand quite well.

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Diest TKO wrote:

For those in the pro-life crowd that think that people who abort have a skewed view of life, what do you say to the fact that the same number of abortions are performed on women who have had 0 births as women who have had 4+ births?

I can understand your theory if the woman simply didn't know what to expect, but if you've already had 4 babies, you understand quite well.

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Hi Deist:

I'd say that they had the abortion(s) - because they could.

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Yes, Diest, they understand quite well. They understand that they are using abortion as birth control.

Oh, as for your post about safety. Bartikus did not threaten you. It is only your insecurity that makes you think that. When I said safety, I was referring to being all warm and cozy behind the keyboard. The odds of somebody taking a poke at you if you spoke the way you do in person is probably quite high. That is not a threat...that is a fact of everyday life. Do you talk the same as you type? Enquiring minds would like to know.

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baddog1 wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

For those in the pro-life crowd that think that people who abort have a skewed view of life, what do you say to the fact that the same number of abortions are performed on women who have had 0 births as women who have had 4+ births?

I can understand your theory if the woman simply didn't know what to expect, but if you've already had 4 babies, you understand quite well.

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Hi Deist:

I'd say that they had the abortion(s) - because they could.

They obviously already have children. "Because they could" suggests and even greater disconcern for life. A contempt for life for that matter. being able to "get away with it," hardly seems believeable.

Ask a rich man why he buys 10 cars, and only drives 1 of them, he'll tell you "because he could."

I'd seriously like to further explore why people think this statistic is what it is.

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