When Does Life Begin?

I'm drawing a comparisson between natural death and induced death. I'm only talking about this in the first place because Bart and Intrepid made the distinction.


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I understand where women are coming from when they don't have the time or the ability to care for a child...I understand how hard it is to change your life to care for a child....I understand how changing your life to accomodate another person is sometimes at best excruciating...Been there done it all...the fact is - we have more care and concern for Bovine than we do an infant in a uterus of a woman that doesn't want it. The point being that the reason to kill a child that feels and responds to outside stimulus even in the womb is not worth anything if the mother is not willing to carry it? That is screwed up to me.

And there is a disconnect there. Somewhere between conception and birth we have allowed ourselves to believe that life and pain doesn't matter if it conflicts with a woman's options in her life. Life no longer counts - pain is no longer an issue...we bleed and cry for pictures seen of pain and rejection of anything that is living - unless it is in the womb. I am at a loss to understand this...

Tired of bantering over non-related issues on abortion thread(s) and would like to discuss a very simple question.

When does life begin for humans?

Caveat: Only talking about humans. (No chickens, butterflies, duck-billed platypus(es), flowers, T-rexes, etc.)

My belief: At conception. :wink:

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Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Lastly, because it seems to push some buttons, a death by cross is not profound in terms of pain. So many people have suffered without being on a cross. Their pain is easily comparrable and in some cases their death may exceed the cross in both pain and cruelty. I may not have been nailed to a cross. If I'm not qualified to talk about the pain or cruelty of dying on a cross, how are pro-lifers qualified to talk about the pain and cruelty of abortion?


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This is too ridiculous to even merit an answer. Any thinking person would know thie answer to this.

It now comes down to the degree of pain that the fetus feels during an abortion? What do you consider too much???????

You aren't very well versed in the history of this thread nor the abortion dialogue. Pro-lifers have often made a case about the suffering of the unborn. I don't have an opinion on what is "too much," it's completely besides the point.

Pay attention.

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If it is beside the point, why do you bring it up? If it is beside the point and you don't have an opinion, why did you bring it up? If it's completely beside the point, maybe you could explain what the point is.

As I have said many times, you start something and then divert away from what you are saying with a lot of gobbly gook and don't give a valid answer. It's not that I disagree with your answer... I never get to see it!

Intrepid,

Since the question of this thread has been answered, it isn't a meaningful thread anymore. Additionally, since you're acting childish, it becomes apparent that a topic needs to be created.

I've created a new thread to talk about the issues.

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2941672#2941672

Come or don't come, I don't care. I'm not going to waste my time putting thought into posts in this thread only to have your contempt an non-participation.

You don't like to address my points, and you're hiding behind the title of this thread. That kind of dodging is just annoying.

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This is too ridiculous to even merit an answer. Any thinking person would know thie answer to this.

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Lastly, because it seems to push some buttons, a death by cross is not profound in terms of pain. So many people have suffered without being on a cross. Their pain is easily comparrable and in some cases their death may exceed the cross in both pain and cruelty. I may not have been nailed to a cross. If I'm not qualified to talk about the pain or cruelty of dying on a cross, how are pro-lifers qualified to talk about the pain and cruelty of abortion?


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This is too ridiculous to even merit an answer. Any thinking person would know thie answer to this.

It now comes down to the degree of pain that the fetus feels during an abortion? What do you consider too much???????

You aren't very well versed in the history of this thread nor the abortion dialogue. Pro-lifers have often made a case about the suffering of the unborn. I don't have an opinion on what is "too much," it's completely besides the point.

Pay attention.

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If it is beside the point, why do you bring it up? If it is beside the point and you don't have an opinion, why did you bring it up? If it's completely beside the point, maybe you could explain what the point is.

As I have said many times, you start something and then divert away from what you are saying with a lot of gobbly gook and don't give a valid answer. It's not that I disagree with your answer... I never get to see it!

Above in red. You brought it up. I don't believe this issue resolves to the degree of pain experienced. You should stop putting words in my mouht and start putting marbles in yours.

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P.s. - In blue above is a bold faced lie.

Sorry that's not related to the original question. You'll have to ask me in the other thread.



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Who only cares about their own opinion again Intrepid?

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Obviously.

mismi40 wrote:

I understand where women are coming from when they don't have the time or the ability to care for a child...I understand how hard it is to change your life to care for a child....I understand how changing your life to accomodate another person is sometimes at best excruciating...Been there done it all...the fact is - we have more care and concern for Bovine than we do an infant in a uterus of a woman that doesn't want it. The point being that the reason to kill a child that feels and responds to outside stimulus even in the womb is not worth anything if the mother is not willing to carry it? That is screwed up to me.

And there is a disconnect there. Somewhere between conception and birth we have allowed ourselves to believe that life and pain doesn't matter if it conflicts with a woman's options in her life. Life no longer counts - pain is no longer an issue...we bleed and cry for pictures seen of pain and rejection of anything that is living - unless it is in the womb. I am at a loss to understand this...

You are making too much sense for this thread, mismi40.

Bart - Your reading and comprehension score must be outstandingly low.

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Also, critiquing my spelling is pretty childish.......

Who only cares about their own opinion again Intrepid?

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Obviously.

I don't care if you rebutte my posts, ponts, ideas... but you don't you give responces like...

Intrepid wrote:

This is too ridiculous to even merit an answer. Any thinking person would know thie answer to this.

You only picked out part of the post. What I posted was.....

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This is too ridiculous to even merit an answer. Any thinking person would know thie answer to this.
It now comes down to the degree of pain that the fetus feels during an abortion? What do you consider too much???????

This was in reponse to your post where you wrote:

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Lastly, because it seems to push some buttons, a death by cross is not profound in terms of pain. So many people have suffered without being on a cross. Their pain is easily comparrable and in some cases their death may exceed the cross in both pain and cruelty. I may not have been nailed to a cross. If I'm not qualified to talk about the pain or cruelty of dying on a cross, how are pro-lifers qualified to talk about the pain and cruelty of abortion?

This is where you were talking about abortion being ok because the pain to the unborn is not as bad as adult pain. Or, however you put it.

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Also, critiquing my spelling is pretty childish as a means to try and discredit my argument.

This was not pointed out to discredit your argument. You do that just fine on your own.

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Bart - Your reading and comprehension score must be outstandingly low.

Now, THAT is childish.

Also, I have answered everything you have asked. Now, you say I won't answer your questions. It is possible that I may have missed one or two since you write two page posts to try and confuse and disarm those to whom you have disdain. Try asking one question at a time so that old guys like me can keep up.

Intrepid,

Since the question of this thread has been answered, it isn't a meaningful thread anymore. Additionally, since you're acting childish, it becomes apparent that a topic needs to be created.

I've created a new thread to talk about the issues.

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2941672#2941672

Come or don't come, I don't care. I'm not going to waste my time putting thought into posts in this thread only to have your contempt an non-participation.

You don't like to address my points, and you're hiding behind the title of this thread. That kind of dodging is just annoying.

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