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When Does Life Begin?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:19 pm
Now, answer this, Bartikus:

Define what is and what is not a human being and how you came to this conclusion.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:20 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
If both parents are humans, yes. But being "human" doesn't equate to any definition of superiority over its mother before birth.


Who said the unborn was superior?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:21 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Now, answer this, Bartikus:

Define what is and what is not a human being and how you came to this conclusion.


I did.....you are a human being from your conception.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:23 pm
Bartikus wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
What lie? I have agreed with others as to what a human is....just not with you.
You are a liar again. Where is this definition you claim you do not agree with?


Where did I LIE? I don't recall your definition of a human being.....WHAT OR WHERE IS IT!

At least be honest enough to respond to this question....if you are able.


Care to answer now? I pose the same question back to you!
You are again being deceptively-dishonest. You claim
Bartikus wrote:
A human being's life begins at conception.
but you will not tell me how you came to this conclusion.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:23 pm
Is the mother or father superior over the unborn? Why is it that you can't or won't answer my questions?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:27 pm
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
What lie? I have agreed with others as to what a human is....just not with you.
You are a liar again. Where is this definition you claim you do not agree with?


Where did I LIE? I don't recall your definition of a human being.....WHAT OR WHERE IS IT!

At least be honest enough to respond to this question....if you are able.


Care to answer now? I pose the same question back to you!
You are again being deceptively-dishonest. You claim
Bartikus wrote:
A human being's life begins at conception.
but you will not tell me how you came to this conclusion.


Then YOU tell me HOW? Give your own definition as well. Please
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:38 pm
Barty-pooper I am not saying you are wrong or you are right in your claim. I am saying however that you have been deceptively-dishonest and that despite your claim here:
Bartikus wrote:
A human being's life begins at conception.
you insincerely try and avoid telling me how you came to this conclusion.

I can't respect deception and insincerity!

However you can redeem yourself by being sincere and honest going forward.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:46 pm
Chumly wrote:
Barty-pooper I am not saying you are wrong or you are right in your claim. I am saying however that you have been deceptively-dishonest and that despite your claim here:
Bartikus wrote:
A human being's life begins at conception.
you insincerely try and avoid telling me how you came to this conclusion.

I can't respect deception and insincerity!

However you can redeem yourself by being sincere and honest going forward.


I have been nothing but purely honest. It seems you are not grasping anything that I have said in my replies. And yet you still won't answer any of my questions. Why is that?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:55 pm
Chumly wrote:
Barty-pooper I am not saying you are wrong or you are right in your claim. I am saying however that you have been deceptively-dishonest and that despite your claim here:
Bartikus wrote:
A human being's life begins at conception.
you insincerely try and avoid telling me how you came to this conclusion.

I can't respect deception and insincerity!

However you can redeem yourself by being sincere and honest going forward.


I have nothing to redeem myself from(with you). Only with my Lord and Savior!

I can go on in my life with a clear conscience. Can you say the same?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 04:58 pm
Again you are bing deceitful and dishonest.

Again you insincerely try and avoid telling me how you came to this conclusion.

I do not respect deception and insincerity.

Define what is and what is not a human being and how you came to this conclusion.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 05:02 pm
Chumly wrote:
Again you are bing deceitful and dishonest.

Again you insincerely try and avoid telling me how you came to this conclusion.

I do not respect deception and insincerity.

Define what is and what is not a human being and how you came to this conclusion.


I have told you how I came to that conclusion! You just didn't think my answer was good enough, since it has to do with God and the Lord Jesus! Y ou still are evading all of my questions. Why is that??
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 05:05 pm
Bartikus: I have nothing to redeem myself from(with you). Only with my Lord and Savior!

He has redeemed himself to his "lord and savior." An invisible friend that doesn't answer prayers, doesn't heal, doesn't appear, and doesn't show any evidence that he exists. Bartikus has bought into the fiction called the bible, and he can't seem to answer contemporary questions about "what is and what is not a human being and how he came to to this conclusion." His lord and savior won't help him with these simple questions.

Bartikus, Is it okay to abort a fetus if a father rapes his own daughter who becomes pregnant?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 05:05 pm
How is it that you can demand answers from me, and I give them to you. Out of respect, yet you can't answer mine?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 05:06 pm
Respect?


ROFLMAO
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 05:09 pm
Bartikus, You still haven't noticed, but you're the one who claims a fetus "is a life" and must not be "killed." In support of your position, we are asking some questions to see how strong your belief system is, and how you determine what a human life is? We have no such conviction, and leave those decisions up to the woman. You wish to impose your "it's a life" thesis on complete strangers; we don't.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 05:17 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus, You still haven't noticed, but you're the one who claims a fetus "is a life" and must not be "killed." In support of your position, we are asking some questions to see how strong your belief system is, and how you determine what a human life is? We have no such conviction, and leave those decisions up to the woman. You wish to impose your "it's a life" thesis on complete strangers; we don't.


Yet you still won't answer my questions!
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 05:42 pm
Bartikus wrote:
I have told you how I came to that conclusion! You just didn't think my answer was good enough, since it has to do with God and the Lord Jesus! Y ou still are evading all of my questions. Why is that??
The bible does not scripturally dictate what is or is not human being. Your claim is false.

I will answer your query now:

I do not have a strict definition of what is or is not a human being. I am not sure that is presently possible. I consider it an open question as whether that level of assessment is within Man's present philosophical-technological grasp.

If you twisted my arm, my definition would be anything that can pass a human-being-equivalence Turing Test. My concern as noted is the question of the extent to which human levels of sentience and self-awareness and independence of thought can be assessed at all!

I should add that current and past events such as war, corruption, starvation, environmental decimation, prejudice, racism, etc suggest Man is often unable / unwilling to make the assessment as to what constitutes a human being.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 06:09 pm
Bartikus replied to Cicerone Imposter:
Bartikus wrote:
How is it that you can demand answers from me, and I give them to you. Out of respect, yet you can't answer mine?


C.I. has still not answered my question to him about four pages back. He seems to demand answers but passes on answering any.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 06:25 pm
I went 4 and 5 pages back, and didn't see any question from you. Why don't you repost it on this page?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 06:28 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I went 4 and 5 pages back, and didn't see any question from you. Why don't you repost it on this page?


Here it is

Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus has a typical mental block inherent in fundamental fanatic christianism; they just don't know how to answer questions that conflicts with their stance on pro-life and discrimination against gays and lesbians. They not only have difficulty with the legal system's definition of life in our country, but do not understand the Constitution or the Bill of Rights guaranteed to all citizens.


Is the definition of life in your country different than others? What does your Constitution or Bill of Rights have to do with the question of when life begins?

Could you provide the definition of a fundamental fanatic Christian?
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