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When Does Life Begin?

 
 
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 30 Oct, 2007 06:51 pm
Bump for Bart and Baddog1.
Diest TKO wrote:

If a life is most important independant of being a embryo or a full grown adult, I'll propose Clumly's old question to you.

A building is burning. Their are 10,000 embryos, and 1 child. You can either save the child of the freezer with the 10,000 embryos. Which do you do?

How would your choice affect other's?

Prove to me that they are equal.

T
K
O

thank you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 30 Oct, 2007 06:52 pm
Boy, your questions get dumber and dumber. Where did you graduate school from? Neptune?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 02:20 am
...............and your responses become more and more ingenious.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 02:24 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Bump for Bart and Baddog1.
Diest TKO wrote:

If a life is most important independant of being a embryo or a full grown adult, I'll propose Clumly's old question to you.

A building is burning. Their are 10,000 embryos, and 1 child. You can either save the child of the freezer with the 10,000 embryos. Which do you do?

How would your choice affect other's?

Prove to me that they are equal.

T
K
O

thank you.


Oh wait....I know how to handle this question.

That's a dumb question! Where did you go to school? Pluto? Hypocrite?

Your flippin welcome (insert derogatory name here)!

How's that for an intelligent response? Let's see if you can answer the questions posed to CI......

Does a woman/young girl deserve to know the truth when asking questions regarding abortion at the clinic Diest?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 02:44 am
Just in case you were'nt impressed with my last answer Diest........here's one.

"How often must something be repeated for you to understand? Those "what if's" you describe is out of my realm to influence or control Got that?"

Is this an example of an answer or an avoidance of the question Diest?

What am I thinking....you can't answer this! There's something in the air on Neptune I tell ya.
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baddog1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 07:11 am
Bartikus wrote:
Just in case you were'nt impressed with my last answer Diest........here's one.

"How often must something be repeated for you to understand? Those "what if's" you describe is out of my realm to influence or control Got that?"

Is this an example of an answer or an avoidance of the question Diest?

What am I thinking....you can't answer this! There's something in the air on Neptune I tell ya.


:wink: :wink: :wink:
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 07:15 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Is accurate information important to you Ci regarding making choices?


Not my responsibility to make sure everyone gets accurate information.


Don't expect consistency from Imposter.

He has formerly claimed that he applies his own standard of right and wrong to nobody but himself.

Yet he can be constantly observed in this forum trashing others for not holding his view, and for not doing what he does.

Moral relativists such as Imposter do not reason. They spout emotion and political slogans.

Imposter completely missed the contradictory nature of his positions because he cannot get thru the fog of the manipulative jargon that holds his mind captive.

It is seen in his passion for passing 'universal health care'. Where did the position of 'not my business' go?

Out the window to political expediency and feel-goodism.

He can pat himself on the back, congratulating himself that he has done something noble , while presuming to make health and economic decisions for others he has never met.

They are complete strangers. How does he know what is best for them?

Liberals are very 'generous' when it comes to spending other people's money and telling them that it's for their own good.

Meanwhile , the 'health care' that they most want to preserve is that which kills the unborn.

They not only want legal abortion for any child up to the point of birth, they want YOU to pay for the killing.

Go ahead , Imposter. Deny that you support legal abortion up to the point of birth. I dare you.
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baddog1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 07:24 am
real life wrote:
Don't expect consistency from Imposter.

He has formerly claimed that he applies his own standard of right and wrong to nobody but himself.

Yet he can be constantly observed in this forum trashing others for not holding his view, and for not doing what he does.

Moral relativists such as Imposter do not reason. They spout emotion and political slogans.

Imposter completely missed the contradictory nature of his positions because he cannot get thru the fog of the manipulative jargon that holds his mind captive.

It is seen in his passion for passing 'universal health care'. Where did the position of 'not my business' go?

Out the window to political expediency and feel-goodism.

He can pat himself on the back, congratulating himself that he has done something noble , while presuming to make health and economic decisions for others he has never met.

They are complete strangers. How does he know what is best for them?

Liberals are very 'generous' when it comes to spending other people's money and telling them that it's for their own good.

Meanwhile , the 'health care' that they most want to preserve is that which kills the unborn.

They not only want legal abortion for any child up to the point of birth, they want YOU to pay for the killing.

Go ahead , Imposter. Deny that you support legal abortion up to the point of birth. I dare you.


Hi Real.

Accurate analysis on all points. :wink:
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 07:43 am
Mornin' baddog. Hope you're doing fine.

Saw a great Tshirt the other day.

'I survived Roe v Wade'

I am glad that the younger generation seems to 'get it'.

Imposter is not likely to have the courage of folks like Bernard Nathanson

http://www.aboutabortions.com/Confess.html

or Nat Hentoff

http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/hentoff.html

and admit that he has been wrong.

Nor , apparently, does his claim to 'care for the living' extend to those like Gianna Jessen

http://www.abortionfacts.com/survivors/giannajessen.asp

But history is against him and he knows it.

The more that medical facts and knowledge become commonplace, the less that folks will put up with unscientific political sloganeering from pro-aborts.
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baddog1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 08:15 am
real life wrote:
Mornin' baddog. Hope you're doing fine.

Saw a great Tshirt the other day.

'I survived Roe v Wade'

I am glad that the younger generation seems to 'get it'.

Imposter is not likely to have the courage of folks like Bernard Nathanson

http://www.aboutabortions.com/Confess.html

or Nat Hentoff

http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/hentoff.html

and admit that he has been wrong.

Nor , apparently, does his claim to 'care for the living' extend to those like Gianna Jessen

http://www.abortionfacts.com/survivors/giannajessen.asp

But history is against him and he knows it.

The more that medical facts and knowledge become commonplace, the less that folks will put up with unscientific political sloganeering from pro-aborts.


Doing well - thanks.

I've seen photo's of the t-shirt on a younger girl. Was good to see.

ci's a tough one because he allows his personal agenda to overrule his ability to see and think clearly. (Hence the incessant hypocrisy and name-calling.) The reality is that if he truly did not attempt to impose his morals on anyone else - he would not participate on this or any other forum, other than to perhaps read & learn.

I've also asked him if this hand; http://www.michaelclancy.com/ is connected to a human life. To date - he refuses to answer.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 10:17 am
Bartikus wrote:
Just in case you were'nt impressed with my last answer Diest........here's one.

"How often must something be repeated for you to understand? Those "what if's" you describe is out of my realm to influence or control Got that?"

Is this an example of an answer or an avoidance of the question Diest?

What am I thinking....you can't answer this! There's something in the air on Neptune I tell ya.



It's become obvious that those pro-lifers are all talk and no action; they don't like to make the tough decisions when faced with a real issue of saving embryos or a human. Hypocrites. A sorry bunch who claims to have morals, but won't commit to a "what if" scenario to prove once again that they are all hypocrites.
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baddog1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 10:26 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Just in case you were'nt impressed with my last answer Diest........here's one.

"How often must something be repeated for you to understand? Those "what if's" you describe is out of my realm to influence or control Got that?"

Is this an example of an answer or an avoidance of the question Diest?

What am I thinking....you can't answer this! There's something in the air on Neptune I tell ya.



It's become obvious that those pro-lifers are all talk and no action; they don't like to make the tough decisions when faced with a real issue of saving embryos or a human. Hypocrites. A sorry bunch who claims to have morals, but won't commit to a "what if" scenario to prove once again that they are all hypocrites.


WOW! That river runs deep! Shocked
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 10:28 am
Pro-lifers can imagine the worst about abortion in their minds, and describe all manners of how the fetus is treated, but refuse to imagine how to react in a real-life situation. Hypocrites.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 10:29 am
baddog: WOW! That river runs deep! Shocked


Oh? Is that so; show me? Spell it out the best way you know how.
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baddog1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 10:31 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
baddog: WOW! That river runs deep! Shocked


Oh? Is that so; show me? Spell it out the best way you know how.


Show you what?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 10:34 am
In other words, your last comment was meaningless - like most of your post on this thread. Understood.
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baddog1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 10:40 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
In other words, your last comment was meaningless - like most of your post on this thread. Understood.


Who's on first?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 12:43 pm
Bartikus wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
Bump for Bart and Baddog1.
Diest TKO wrote:

If a life is most important independant of being a embryo or a full grown adult, I'll propose Clumly's old question to you.

A building is burning. Their are 10,000 embryos, and 1 child. You can either save the child of the freezer with the 10,000 embryos. Which do you do?

How would your choice affect other's?

Prove to me that they are equal.

T
K
O

thank you.


Oh wait....I know how to handle this question.

That's a dumb question! Where did you go to school? Pluto? Hypocrite?

Your flippin welcome (insert derogatory name here)!

How's that for an intelligent response? Let's see if you can answer the questions posed to CI......

Does a woman/young girl deserve to know the truth when asking questions regarding abortion at the clinic Diest?


Your current arguement has no relation your your duty to answer direct questions fielded to you.

To answer your question, I advocate for consultation prior to an abortion. I support a girl/woman having the truth about the proceedure etc.

T
K
O
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 12:53 pm
Bartikus wrote:
Just in case you were'nt impressed with my last answer Diest........here's one.

"How often must something be repeated for you to understand? Those "what if's" you describe is out of my realm to influence or control Got that?"

Is this an example of an answer or an avoidance of the question Diest?

What am I thinking....you can't answer this! There's something in the air on Neptune I tell ya.


First off, no I'm not impressed. I assure you, I understand how you feel about repeating yourself to get someone to understand. However the difference in your arguement and mine is not a lack of understanding. I understand your arguement. If you think repeating yourself to be heard is annoying, imagine having to repeat yourself to be answered. I gladly answer all of the Pro-life questions posted in this thread, and I have to bend over backwads to get any honesty from the pro-life crowd in responce.

As for your bolded attempt to immulate CI's writing style and therefore ingender some sort of empathy on my behalf, I'll say this: As CI believes, it is not his place to influence, the Pro-life camp does not make this assertion. Quite contrary, the prolife camp directly believes that it is their place to influece and control. So while you do a great job of immulation, your post is purely dishonest. It's a non answer returned to a direct question.

In summary, answer the damn question I posted. I post a question that challenges your beliefs, if you weren't prepared to defend your beliefs, you shouldn't have entered the marketplace of ideas.

T
K
O
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 12:55 pm
BTW... speaking of unanswered questions. I asked baddog1 and bartikus if they have anyone in their family who has had an abortion, or any person in their close circle of friends.

Did you think I forgot?

T
K
O
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