H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 21 Oct, 2011 07:56 am
http://www.athenswater.com/images/LongRangeRig.JPG
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 21 Oct, 2011 09:58 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Sure it does. Strict scrutiny means that a law is only constitutional if the government has a compelling reason to have it, and even then only if the law is narrowly tailored to address that compelling need.

Heller did not establish a strict scrutiny standard.

oralloy wrote:
The government has no compelling need to ban cosmetic features like pistol grips and flash suppressors.

And any law that bans them along with other things, is not narrowly tailored.

No doubt you've read the DC Circuit Court's opinion.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 21 Oct, 2011 11:31 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Sure it does. Strict scrutiny means that a law is only constitutional if the government has a compelling reason to have it, and even then only if the law is narrowly tailored to address that compelling need.


Heller did not establish a strict scrutiny standard.


True. They left that decision for future rulings. But strict scrutiny is the only legitimate standard for such a core right.



joefromchicago wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The government has no compelling need to ban cosmetic features like pistol grips and flash suppressors.

And any law that bans them along with other things, is not narrowly tailored.

No doubt you've read the DC Circuit Court's opinion.


It's just yet another lower-court ruling that ignores reality and ignores the Constitution. As soon as the assault weapons issue reaches the Supreme Court itself, it'll be overturned.

The claim that a pistol grip allows some sort of "spray firing from the hip" posture is silly. If someone were to take a gun and spray random shots without aiming, "shooting from the hip" would be indistinguishable from a random spray of fire with the gun "at the shoulder". It is also unlikely that anyone outside a Hollywood movie has even attempted such a thing.

The claim that the pistol grip somehow makes the gun more stable in rapid fire is just some nonsense that the anti-gunners made up. But in any case, I don't see why the government would have a compelling need to make guns less accurate. Would they be hoping that people who are shooting in self defense miss more often and hit more innocent bystanders?
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 21 Oct, 2011 12:53 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
It's just yet another lower-court ruling that ignores reality and ignores the Constitution. As soon as the assault weapons issue reaches the Supreme Court itself, it'll be overturned.

Just so we're clear: Obama doesn't want to violate the second amendment as the courts interpret it, he just wants to violate the second amendment as you interpret it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 21 Oct, 2011 11:21 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It's just yet another lower-court ruling that ignores reality and ignores the Constitution. As soon as the assault weapons issue reaches the Supreme Court itself, it'll be overturned.


Just so we're clear: Obama doesn't want to violate the second amendment as the courts interpret it, he just wants to violate the second amendment as you interpret it.


It would be unfair to the courts to attribute a viewpoint as extreme and absurd as the one expressed in that ruling to all of them in general.

And more importantly, the majority of the Supreme Court agrees with me on this issue.

Now whether they will take up the issue soon or not, that I can't say. It is possible that they may wait awhile before addressing the Second Amendment again. But whenever they do address assault weapons, there is little doubt that I'll be happy with their ruling.
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