Black man, white man and jewish man: racism and comedy ....

stevewonder wrote:

BUT ITS OK FOR HIM TO PORTRAY GERMANS AS NAZIS, AND ARABS AS SCREWED UP AND BLACKS AS UNEDUCATED ILLIITERATES.

you're still on about germans and arabs, even after you've been corrected multiple times?
waste of time.

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Reading through all these pages, I'd like to ask...

What is it you're hoping to accomplish here stevewonder?

What would make you happy?

If everyone agreed with you, would you stop posting on this thread?

Would your mission be accomplished?

What exactly do you want?

seriously.

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Uncle Sam has a message for Stevie:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/robgoat/uncsam.jpg

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Owww a cartoon, how quaint.
How long did it take you to Google that?

Back to the discussion.

Why is musical and comedic success of black people linked to self denegration?

Why is Cohen allowed to be racist to three nationalities but it is prohibited for anyone to make fun of his roots and race?

Is he some how racially superior?

Why is it that the second the word Israel is mentioned on a thread that trolls come out demanding people to e silent?

Why am I being prohibted to ask these questions?

Why can I not question the racism of an Israeli comedian without being shouted down?

Why are Israel comedians exempt from being questioned?

Why are many blac celebrities dragged into courts for the whole world to watch and be entertained when we cant even question one Israeli 'comedian.'

Is that not fascism?

Should I become silent because people are ordering me to be silent?

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Why can I not question the racism of an Israeli comedian without being shouted down?

Well, for one thing, he was born in Surrey (south London). (link)

And if you wonder, steve, why the response to your post was less than engaging, you might consider the tone with which you yourself broached the subject.

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Like most racist Cohen is a coward, as an Israeli he must be used to refusing to recognising the humanity of other people.

Or was this your attempt at a joke?

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patiodog wrote:

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Why can I not question the racism of an Israeli comedian without being shouted down?

Well, for one thing, he was born in Surrey (south London). (link)

And if you wonder, steve, why the response to your post was less than engaging, you might consider the tone with which you yourself broached the subject.

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Like most racist Cohen is a coward, as an Israeli he must be used to refusing to recognising the humanity of other people.

Or was this your attempt at a joke?

Why did I offend you?

Is it a myth that many Israelis dont posess any humanity towards fellow human beings?

Did you not check my first post, third link?

Hvae you not read the edits of senior Israeli Rabbi about their views on race?
All in jest no doubt.
Better still post a silly cartoon demanding my silence.

Why does chapelle portray a black president as incompetant?
Its a sketch similar to that of Pryor, who does the ame thing and Chris Tucker has the same joke to make in his stand up.

Why do these black comedians find it such a disaster that a black man would become president?

Why are they programmed with so much self hate?

Maybe people like Cohen could answer that, the modern day ministrel.
Germans are homosexual nazis and kazaks (or arabs) are backward sickos, we can see what he is trying to do, just people are in denial.

Its funny when I mention it to people in conversation they say, 'you know i thought that but didnt wanna say anything'

You have to hand it to Cohen he is one very sneaky racist.

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Why did I offend you?

I can't answer questions about your motivations. You're an enigma.

Or did you mean to ask, "Why were you offended by what I said?" in which case my answer is that you didn't. I thought it was most likely an attempt to ascertain Cohen's attitudes solely on the basis of his presumed nationality (an inaccurate presumption, of course), which would make it bigoted. I also thought there was a chance (albeit slim) that you were trying to make a joke, and usually in doing so it's a good idea to give us some clue about that. Since you write like a caricature anyway (not unlike Cohen's act, actually), that's very hard to discern.

Alternatively, you might have been asking, "Why, did I offend you?" If this is the case, I can simply answer, "no." You merely stooped to my expectations of you.

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Is it a myth that many Israelis dont posess any humanity towards fellow human beings?

Did you not check my first post, third link?

I can only guess that you are asserting that Israelis in fact do not possess any humanity towards fellow human beings, which is a pretty impressive blanket statement from an enlightened individual such as yourself.

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Hvae you not read the edits of senior Israeli Rabbi about their views on race?
All in jest no doubt.

Um, no, I haven't. As far as I knew, this thread wasn't about Israeli religious figures. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. (I suspect, like nimh, that you're obsessive and that to you everything in some way relates to Israel. I glanced a bit at your posting, and you seem to be a bit of a one-trick pony.

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Better still post a silly cartoon demanding my silence.

Well, slappy already did. And it wasn't exactly a demand. In fact, if you didn't post any more, slappy wouldn't be able to make fun of you, so in fact he probably does not at all hope that you stop posting. See how this mean humor thing works?

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Why does chapelle portray a black president as incompetant?
Its a sketch similar to that of Pryor, who does the ame thing and Chris Tucker has the same joke to make in his stand up.

Why do these black comedians find it such a disaster that a black man would become president?

Hmmm. I'm thinking they probably thought it was amusing. I suspect that they were not trying to make an accurate guess about the outcome of a hypothetical situation. Wouldn't be funny, see? And so while they might talk about a capable black president in an interview, it's hard to imagine doing a comedy sketch about such. At this point, imagining a capable white male president is getting to be a bit of a laughable premise, however. Maybe the Blue Collar Comedy folks could do a bit about that.

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Why are they programmed with so much self hate?

Maybe people like Cohen could answer that, the modern day ministrel.
Germans are homosexual nazis and kazaks (or arabs) are backward sickos, we can see what he is trying to do, just people are in denial.

Self-hate? I thought that was Jews. Sheesh, can't you keep your material straight? (Woody Allen bit: "The fact that I hate myself has nothing to do with the fact that I'm a Jew.")

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Its funny when I mention it to people in conversation they say, 'you know i thought that but didnt wanna say anything'

Mr. Hat and Mr. Stick agree with you, do they?

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You have to hand it to Cohen he is one very sneaky racist.

Riiiiiiight, it's all part of his grand scheme to unite the world against Austrians, Kazakhs, and the south London hip-hop community. His own little axis of evil.

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statements even blanket ones do not end in a question mark. :wink:

You defensive posture is intriguing.

Have I offended you in some way?

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statements even blanket ones do not end in a question mark.

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Is it a myth that many Israelis dont posess any humanity towards fellow human beings?

Did you not check my first post, third link?

I can only guess that you are asserting that Israelis in fact do not possess any humanity towards fellow human beings, which is a pretty impressive blanket statement from an enlightened individual such as yourself.

Sorry, should I change that to blanket inference?

Or is this simply meant as a bizarre nonsequiter, and I should read it completely out of context (you don't seem to be big on context anyway), as though it was a new subject?

As in...

Is it a myth that many Israelis dont posess any humanity towards fellow human beings?

I mean, obviously when the question is phrased this way, the implied sole alternative to "It is a myth" is "It is true." But perhaps English is not your first language, and you really are asking if such a myth exists, and the alternatives are "There is such a myth" and "There is no such myth."

Is English your first language?

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I'm not asking you to be silent, but I am asking you to answer my civil question.

Again i ask, please explain what it is you're trying to accomplish here.

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Did you ask why Cohen doesn't make fun of his own roots?

Please watch the show before asking stupid questions like that.

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I don't know, he's got to cut down on the caffeine or something.

I completely lost in how he's picking and choosing what he wants to address. And I'm still marveling at his initial post saying Robin Williams never makes jokes about blacks.

I love it when someone comes up with some bullshit opener, and when the obvious is pointed out, it just gets totally ignored.

This is like the thread that should never have been born. Usually nature senses the lack of promise for intelligent life and spontaneously aborts aborts before a breath is drawn.

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A little bit of Borat doing his thing... and a good alternative place for stevewonder to go to:

Borat On Today Show

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Link not working for me, but that might be a temporary phantasm...

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/10/30/borat-on-today-showi_n_32800.html ...

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cute...

WWAGD?

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WWAGD?

What would Alan Greenspan do?

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NYT review of Cohen's film

From Kazakhstan, Without a Clue

By MANOHLA DARGIS
Published: November 3, 2006

Sometime in early 2005, a mustachioed Kazakh journalist known as Borat Sagdiyev slipped into America with the intention of making a documentary for the alleged good of his Central Asian nation. Many months later, the funny bruised fruits of his labor, “Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan,” are poised to hit the collective American conscience with a juicy splat. The Minutemen, those self-anointed guardians of American sovereignty, were watching the wrong border.

Borat, who just recently invited the “mighty warlord” George W. Bush to the premiere of his film before a gaggle of excited news crews, is the dim brainchild of Sacha Baron Cohen, the British comic best known until now for another of his pseudonymous identities, Ali G. Described by his creator as a “wannabe gangsta,” Ali G was the host of a British television show, starting in 2000 (HBO had the American edition), where, as the voice of “the yoof,” he interviewed serious and self-serious movers and shakers, including “Boutros Boutros Boutros-Ghali,” Sam Donaldson and Richard Kerr, a former deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency, who found himself explaining why terrorists could not drive a train into the White House. (No tracks.)

Mr. Baron Cohen succeeded in seducing politicians and pornography stars alike, mostly because Ali G’s phenomenal stupidity made the character seem harmless. He also seemed to represent the ultimate in media big game: young people. Dressed like a Backstreet Boy, complete with Day-Glo romper suits, designer initials and a goatee that looked as if it had been painted on with liquid eyeliner, he was met with bewilderment, exasperation and patience that at times bordered on the saintly. Like Borat and Bruno, another of the comic’s similarly obtuse television alter egos who made regular appearances on the shows, the joke was equally on Ali G and on the targets of his calculated ignorance.

With Borat, Mr. Baron Cohen took the same basic idea that had worked with Ali G and pushed it hard, then harder...................................

....That Mr. Baron Cohen plays the character’s anti-Semitism for laughs is his most radical gambit. The Anti-Defamation League, for one, has chided him, warning that some people may not be in on the joke. And a sampling of comments on blogs where you can watch some of the older Borat routines, including a singalong in an Arizona bar with the refrain “Throw the Jew down the well,” indicates that the Anti-Defamation League is at least partly right: some people are definitely not in on the joke, though only because some people are too stupid and too racist to understand that the joke is on them. As the 19th-century German thinker August Bebel observed, anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools, a truism Mr. Baron Cohen has embraced with a vengeance.

Given this, it seems instructive to note how discussions of Borat, including the sympathetic and the suspicious, often circle over to the issue of Mr. Baron Cohen’s own identity. Commentators often imply that Borat wouldn’t be funny if Mr. Baron Cohen were not Jewish, which is kind of like saying that Dave Chappelle wouldn’t be funny if he were not black. For these performers, the existential and material givens of growing up as a Jew in Britain and as a black man in America provide not only an apparently limitless source of fertile comic material, but they are also inseparable from their humor. But no worries: Borat makes poop jokes and carries a squawking chicken around in a suitcase.........

......... There is nothing here as singularly frightening as when, during his run on HBO, Borat encountered a Texan who enthused about the Final Solution. That said, the gun clerk’s suggestion of what kind of gun to use to hunt Jews will freeze your blood, especially when you realize that he hasn’t misheard Borat’s mangled English.

That scene may inspire accusations that Mr. Baron Cohen is simply trading on cultural and regional stereotypes, and he is, just not simply. The brilliance of “Borat” is that its comedy is as pitiless as its social satire, and as brainy. Mr. Baron Cohen isn’t yet a total filmmaker like Jerry Lewis (the film was directed by Larry Charles, who has given it a suitably cheap video look), but the comic’s energy and timing inform every scene of “Borat,” which he wrote with Anthony Hines, Peter Baynham and his longtime writing and production partner, Dan Mazer. These guys push political buttons, but they also clear room for two hairy men to wrestle nude in a gaspingly raw interlude of physical slapstick that nearly blasts a hole in the film.

Clenched in unspeakably crude formation, those hairy bodies inspire enormous laughs, but they also serve an elegant formal function. The sheer outrageousness of the setup temporarily pulls you out of the story, which essentially works along the lines of one of the Bob Hope-Bing Crosby road movies, though with loads of smut and acres of body hair, relieving you of the burden of having to juggle your laughter with your increasingly abused conscience. Just when you’re ready to cry, you howl.

“If the comic can berate and finally blow the bully out of the water,” Mr. Lewis once wrote, “he has hitched himself to an identifiable human purpose.” Sacha Baron Cohen doesn’t blow bullies out of the water; he obliterates them.

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patiodog wrote:

WWAGD?

What Would Ali G Do?

Actually, I linked to nimh videos and then googled Borat videos myself and I didn't find any of the ones I watched any more offense than stuff other comedians do every day.

I'm thinking stevewonder is actually this cohen guy, and he's just promoting himself.

That's it! stevewonder IS Ali G!

What would Alan Greenspan do?

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patiodog wrote:

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statements even blanket ones do not end in a question mark.

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Is it a myth that many Israelis dont posess any humanity towards fellow human beings?

Did you not check my first post, third link?

I can only guess that you are asserting that Israelis in fact do not possess any humanity towards fellow human beings, which is a pretty impressive blanket statement from an enlightened individual such as yourself.

Sorry, should I change that to blanket inference?

Or is this simply meant as a bizarre nonsequiter, and I should read it completely out of context (you don't seem to be big on context anyway), as though it was a new subject?

As in...

Is it a myth that many Israelis dont posess any humanity towards fellow human beings?

I mean, obviously when the question is phrased this way, the implied sole alternative to "It is a myth" is "It is true." But perhaps English is not your first language, and you really are asking if such a myth exists, and the alternatives are "There is such a myth" and "There is no such myth."

Is English your first language?

The cartoons and the big fonts, hav come out.

LOOOOOL
Its funny when the word 'Israel' mentioned the threats and demands come along.

I am sure you would like to divert the subject but i would rather stick to the topic.

Your suggestion that I am 'foreign' is an insight to your sympathy with racist comedy.
Perhaps you ar of the racist opinion that people that you deem to be alien, are not worthy of an opinion? Which would explain your attempt to label me as such desipte the fact that I am 'white' , (whatever that means)

You must think once your have labelled me as some 'other' or 'alien' that would by your logic invalidate all my opinions.

Which is exactly what Cohen, Israel and Nazis do.

What an extraordinary coincidence you all share a world view. Rolling Eyes

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