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snood
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:01 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
snood wrote:
Which sexist remark is that, Phoenix?


Games, games, games. If you can't figure it out for yourself, fuggedaboudit. I see that your "sensitivity antenna" is tuned to only one channel! Laughing


Bullshyt, bullshyt, bullshyt. You're gonna accuse me of making blatantly sexist remarks, produce one, or take it back. Anyone can hurl accusations.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:03 am
You've been happy to constantly accuse Lash of racism, but have not produced the evidence of it. Sauce for goose makes sauce for the gander.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:05 am
Setanta wrote:
You've been happy to constantly accuse Lash of racism, but have not produced the evidence of it. Sauce for goose makes sauce for the gander.


It's pretty pitiful that you have to dig like you do to find something to say relevant to the present. I know you're a historian, and all, but couldya at least stay in this month?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:07 am
Phoenix has a valid point. Snood behaves like a venomous pit viper when anyone criticizes organized religion, and is just as quick as a snake to accuse others of racism.

She nailed his character down on that one.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:10 am
Setanta wrote:
Phoenix has a valid point. Snood behaves like a venomous pit viper when anyone criticizes organized religion, and is just as quick as a snake to accuse others of racism.

She nailed his character down on that one.


It's really a giggly proposition, when a man as nasty as you are with so many people wants to harumph about character.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:19 am
I'm not harumphing about character, i'm just holding up a mirror to you. Sexism must be deeply engrained in you--Phoenix quoted your sexist remark, and you asked her what sexist remark you had made. You can't even see it when it's held under your nose. She's got you figured out--and that's no "harumph," that's a shout of laugher.
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rockpie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:56 am
if the sexist remark was about the little girl running to the moderator with a boo-boo then i don't think that's sexist. its very common for little girls or little boys to run to a figure of authority when they get hurt. that's what i think snood was trying to say there, he could have just as easily put little boy, right snood? but then of course you would accuse him of paedophilia no doubt. i can't believe that as young as i am i have to say grow up guys. if that wasn't the sexist remark then i apologise and ask you to quote it because i can't find anything else remotely sexist.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 08:09 am
rockpie- I think that there are a couple of things that you don't understand, since you have not been on this forum for very long. I think that with experience, you will understand why I made the remark that I did.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 08:09 am
rockpie wrote:
if the sexist remark was about the little girl running to the moderator with a boo-boo then i don't think that's sexist. its very common for little girls or little boys to run to a figure of authority when they get hurt. that's what i think snood was trying to say there, he could have just as easily put little boy, right snood? but then of course you would accuse him of paedophilia no doubt. i can't believe that as young as i am i have to say grow up guys. if that wasn't the sexist remark then i apologise and ask you to quote it because i can't find anything else remotely sexist.


rockpie, the fact that he specifically mentioned 'little girl' makes the comment sexist. That is the defination of sexism. Specifically targeting the sex of a person as a basis for insult is sexism. It would be just as sexist if he said 'little boy'. To be non-sexist he could have stated 'little kid'.

Really now, just because he believes in the same delusions that you do does not mean you have to defend his every word. The guy is irrelevant.
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rockpie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 08:12 am
but i would have said little girl, not because i'm sexist but because its generally accepted that females have a lower pain thresshold than men and whether thats a common misconception or not is irrelevant, it just happens to be more common to see females crying than males.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 08:23 am
rockpie wrote:
but i would have said little girl, not because i'm sexist but because its generally accepted that females have a lower pain thresshold than men and whether thats a common misconception or not is irrelevant, it just happens to be more common to see females crying than males.


You are simply reinforcing a stereotype, which is by definition, a prejudice. Where did you learn that females have a lower pain threshhold? As far as it being more common for females to cry, that behavior is more culturally than genetically determined. It is not that females cry more. It is that males are socialized not to cry.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 08:25 am
rockpie wrote:
but i would have said little girl, not because i'm sexist but because its generally accepted that females have a lower pain thresshold than men and whether thats a common misconception or not is irrelevant, it just happens to be more common to see females crying than males.


What you stated may be true, but also sexist. It is sexist the same why that snood would complain if you said something like this.

"Black people are better at basketball than white people" or "White people speak with better grammer than black people". (I'll point out that these comments are intended to be racist as an example, not my truthful opinion, but a common misconception)

Snood would pitch a fit if you said something like that about race (it's called racism, you may have heard of it).

Replace the race names with boy/girl and you'll see that it is also sexist.

"Boys are better at basketball than girls." or "Boys are better at math than girls".
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 09:33 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
rockpie wrote:
but i would have said little girl, not because i'm sexist but because its generally accepted that females have a lower pain thresshold than men and whether thats a common misconception or not is irrelevant, it just happens to be more common to see females crying than males.


You are simply reinforcing a stereotype, which is by definition, a prejudice. Where did you learn that females have a lower pain threshhold? As far as it being more common for females to cry, that behavior is more culturally than genetically determined. It is not that females cry more. It is that males are socialized not to cry.


Actually, there's a scientific reason why females cry more than males.

Female tears contain endorphins, therefore crying makes females feel better, quite apart from the effect such tears may have on others.

Male tears contain no endorphins, so there is no benefit to the individual male except in having others notice his condition.

I don't have the paper to quote but it did make a lot of sense to me when I read this (wherever that was!).
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 09:41 am
A Google search reveals that emotional tears do, indeed, contain endorphins; but I can't find any info on male vs. female teariness.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 10:17 am
Hey Pete; One of my favorite historical event(s) is/are the Defenestration(s) of Prague. Have you ever visited any of the sites?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 10:25 am
That method of resolving doctrinal differences went out the window a long time ago, Neo . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 10:39 am
To return to the topic of taxation of churchs, the issue is not as simple as either the proponents or the opponents of taxation of churchs and church property and assets would want us to believe.

This is from an atheist author, and can hardly be said to be a false statement on the basis of a prejudie against church taxation:

Austin Cline wrote:
Tax exemptions for religious groups have existed throughout American history and are a legacy of our European heritage. At the same time, those tax exemptions have never been total or automatic. For example, some states have broad tax exemptions for parsonages while others have narrow restrictions on such exemptions. Some states have exempted Bibles from sales taxes while others have not. Some states have exempted church businesses from state corporate taxes while other have not. Private donations to churches have also had varying degrees of tax exemptions, while direct payments to churches for goods or services are rarely exempt from taxes.

Over the years both the courts and various legislative bodies have limited the ability of religions to benefit from tax exemptions. There are appear to be two possible means for this: either by generally eliminating tax exemptions for all charitable and non-profit groups, or by eliminating churches from the classification of charities.

Eliminating tax exemptions for charities generally would provide a great deal more money for governments, which is part of the argument for eliminating tax exemptions for religion. However, it is unlikely that there would be much broad public support for such a radical change in the tax code. Tax exemptions for charitable organizations have a long history, and for the most part, people tend to have a favorable impression of them.


When he says that church tax exemptions are a relict of our pre-revolutionary past, he is not far off the mark. Massachusetts and Connecticutt both had Congregational establishments, and Virginia and South Carolina both had Anglican establishments. In the year before the Stamp Act Crisis, Patrick Henry came to prominence when he defended (as a lawyer) a parish being sued by the parson of the established church. That parson was to be paid in tobacco receipts. Specie (gold and silver coins) were rare in Colonial America, and bills of sale for tobacco were commonly used as paper money in Virginia. The House of Burgesses had provided that the rectors of the established church would be paid in tobacco receipts. In the early 1760s, however, there was a huge depression in the tobacco market in Europe, and the parson in question sued on the basis that his tobacco receipts were no longer worth what they had been when his salary had been set. Patrick Henry lost the suit, but only nominally: the jury awared the parson in question one penny in damages.

I agree with this author that most people consider the exemption of churchs from taxation as reasonable, on the basis that they are charitable organizations. I also agree with those who object that many churchs have enormous resources, multi-million dollar estates, and that religion is often used as a scam for personal gain. Churchs in the United States receive literally billions of dollars in donations each year. However, for me, the clincher is that ending the exemption of churchs would probably involve the end of exemptions for charitable institutions of all kinds, and i don't think that's a good idea, nor do i believe that people would favor ending the exemptions.

Finally, i consider that it is up to each state to determine what they will or will not award churchs in the way exemption from taxation. Personally, i don't feel that i am under any great burden because churchs are exempt from taxation. I don't consider the argument that i pay more taxes because churchs don't pay any to be a valid one. Government budgest expand to encompass all of the revenue they can secure. If churchs were taxed, the government would simply have more money to spend--there is no good reason to assume that my taxes would be reduced as a consequence.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 02:37 pm
Whew. Sorry. Had to do other stuff.

Damn! That was the sexist comment? OK - if that was sexist, I apologize to all women on this forum. I'm sure that will not suffice for those determined that I am "whiny", a Pit-viper":, or "irrelevant", but I have never been accused of being sexist before, and it actually hurts. I admit to some homophobia, and I admit to some bigotry about white people and a need to be more open-minded sometimes, but I've never even remotely suspected myself of even unconscious sexism. Hell some of my best friends are women (can I get away with a little joke?).

I have to constantly step away from this "online discussion" stuff, and ask myself - "would you say that, if you had to face that person?" When I know the answer is no, it's usually because I am not sure of what I'm saying, and couldn't sell it in person, or because I'm just plain wrong.

I'm not sure why Phoenix jumped into the middle of that exchange to lob that accusation, but most of the time I find coexistence not too inconvenient with her. I've only recently started to notice some of maporche's comments. It seems he (she?) has bought Setanta's characterization of me 100%, before I even know who the hell he (she) is. A pity, but so be it, I guess. I know who I am, and I am not "irrelevant", to say the least.

As for Setanta I am not the venomous and thoughtless character he says. I will step in and defend those who have faith of any kind (except Satanism) sometimes, but am not the crusading Christian jerk I keep reading him discribe me as. I don't really know what to say about the kind of poison that Setanta directs at me - except to say he could only do it here, and he must enjoy it, because he keeps it going.

I just think its wrong for him to casually refer to someone like Arella as MOAN, when she has politely asked him not to. Yeah, she and I are friends, so I defend her. Much like Lash and Set defend each other - no more complicated or nefarious than that.

Just for the record, I don't like religion crammed down anyone's throat. I have recently started taking real life to task for that kind of thing. I have in the past pointed out to Arella when she came on too strong for me about religion. I was even the one to suggest a name change, so that she didn't offend anyone by callng herself an "angel", or anyone's "momma".

I don't hate anyone here - ain't got the energy for it. I stand by my statement that we would all behave differently and perceive each other differently face to face. This place allows for the same kind of careless dismissals of other humans that we sometimes do from behind the wheel of our cars - we say things there that we would not say if we were two pedestrians.

I took the time to write all this because it bothers me the level of animus that gets generated by a bunch of bright people trying to carry on online discussions. Sometimes it just seems a little extreme for people we do not know. Ah well. We can only try, eh?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 02:46 pm
If you didn't shoot off your big mouth, and use truly vile and obscene eptithets when addressing me, you wouldn't get the response you're whining about.

How about addressing the topic of the thread?
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 02:54 pm
Setanta wrote:
If you didn't shoot off your big mouth, and use truly vile and obscene eptithets when addressing me, you wouldn't get the response you're whining about.

How about addressing the topic of the thread?


I tried here.


Quote:
Just for the record, I don't like religion crammed down anyone's throat. I have recently started taking real life to task for that kind of thing. I have in the past pointed out to Arella when she came on too strong for me about religion.


I didn't tackle the tax-exemption aspects of religion I don't know enough about to discuss, but just the aspect of it being forced on people.



And backatcha about the vile big mouth.
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