Freedom FROM religion

Phoenix32890 I agree 100% with what you've posted.

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Re: Freedom FROM religion

woiyo wrote:

Mindonfire wrote:
neologist wrote:
Would we all be better off if, instead of our having freedom of religion, we were to have freedom from religion?

That's impossible.

Why?

You need to examine and discover what religion entails. People make the mistake of limiting religion to people who go the churches and mosques. All of life is religion. To exist with One's mental faculties intact is to be religious.

If you believe in and are dedicated to the pursuit of equal rights, you are religious.

If you believe in and are dedicated to the pursuit of Democracy, you are religious.

If you believe in and are dedicated to the pursuit of Socialism, you are religious.

If you believe in and are dedicated to the pursuit of Capitalism, you are religious.

If you believe in and are dedicated to any form of Government, you are religious.

If you believe in and are dedicated to the fact that dogs are better than cats, you are religious.

If you believe in and are dedicated to the fact that vegetables are better than meat, you are religious.

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

To me, freedom from religion would constitute:

No tax breaks for religious groups.

Remove the words. "under god" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Christmas should not be a government holiday, but private companies could give their staff a day off if many of their employees celebrated Christmas.

No swearing on the bible in courts, or invocations in government ceremonies.

I have no problem with people practicing their religion in the private sphere; homes, houses of worship, and the like. I DO have a problem when the goverment gets involved, on any level.

For the record, at one time I ran a yearly dinner for my community group. There are many people who are religious in my community, and I would ask one the the neighbors to offer an invocation. I knew that many of the people would like that. That was a private choice on my part.

And that would be your religious view.

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username wrote:

And keep religion out of science. Evolution is reality. Creationism is not.

And that's your religious view.

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Mindonfire,

So, everyone is religious. I can see that.

But I like to look at it like this: Everyone is a scientist. Some scientists are better than others.

What do you say?

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Mindy, as echi has pointed out, while many isms may be followed with religious fervor, your brush is much too broad.

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Re: Freedom FROM religion

Mindonfire wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
neologist wrote:
Would we all be better off if, instead of our having freedom of religion, we were to have freedom from religion?

That's impossible.

Why?

You need to examine and discover what religion entails. People make the mistake of limiting religion to people who go the churches and mosques. All of life is religion -- blah, blah, blah, etc.

That exercise is what is known as begging the question.

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echi wrote:

Mindonfire,

So, everyone is religious. I can see that.

But I like to look at it like this: Everyone is a scientist. Some scientists are better than others.

What do you say?

That is very true. Life is science. Everyone who lives is a scientists. Science is not confined to a classroom at a particular school. The whole earth is a classroom. And guess who's the teacher?

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neologist wrote:

Mindy, as echi has pointed out, while many isms may be followed with religious fervor, your brush is much too broad.

Not our brush. Look at all the definitions for religion from all of the established and reliable sources. For whatever reason
, Man has been limiting the meaning.

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I give up, Mindo. Who's the bloody teacher?

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Mindy, I think you have confused religion with belief. The folks who have faith that Toyotas are better than Fords are hardly likely to defend that belief to the death.

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I just started some coffee, Boss . . . as long as you continue to respond to Pantsonfire, he's gonna rant about his latest obsession (he's actually only been flogging this dead pony since he was desparate for an argument a few months ago) . . . i suspect you'll need more than one cup . . .

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Re: Freedom FROM religion

neologist wrote:

Would we all be better off if, instead of our having freedom of religion, we were to have freedom from religion?

Why stop at religion? I mean, why not go all the way and demand freedom from reality? You wouldn't be alone; I mean, isn't that what all these losers are doing with the Kerry Edwards stickers still on their Volvo stationwagons?

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The interesting thing about Mindy is that he occasionally has a valid point buried under his wordheap.

Not that I am either willing or able to wallow into the heap in order to find them.

So I hope no one minds if I encourage him to brevity.

I buy the 3# bag of dark roast at Costco. It provides a real eye opener; although I enjoy a lighter roast every now and then.

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I'm strictly a Columbian man . . .

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Tea, preferably an estate Assam Superb. If it's going to be coffee, make mine Jamaican blue_mountain.

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I suppose we'll all have to meet at Starbucks so we can get what we want.

Anytime. And I'll buy the first round.

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neologist wrote:

I suppose we'll all have to meet at Starbucks so we can get what we want.

Anytime. And I'll buy the first round.

Well good, I have never been in a Starbucks but I bought some stock in the corp 6 weeks ago and am up 0.65%.

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

To me, freedom from religion would constitute:

No tax breaks for religious groups.

Remove the words. "under god" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Christmas should not be a government holiday, but private companies could give their staff a day off if many of their employees celebrated Christmas.

No swearing on the bible in courts, or invocations in government ceremonies.

I have no problem with people practicing their religion in the private sphere; homes, houses of worship, and the like. I DO have a problem when the goverment gets involved, on any level.

This basically mirrors my opinions on the matter, so I will quote it again. Why are churches not taxed again? Churches are big business!

I would also add that any attempt to outlaw religion would lead down the same slippery slope that outlawing abortion would. Any shift of power away from the individual towards the state should be highly scrutinized before being allowed to exist. It is a fine balance between anarchy and a totalitarian state that must be maintained.

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So if there were freedom from religion that means some of you get what you want. What about the rest of us? You already have freedom from religion if that is what you desire. No one forces you to go to church do they? Does anyone force you to engage in "religious" discussions on these forums? Don't you have the right to tell someone no I don't want to hear about Jesus when they ask?

You already have the freedom from it if you so choose to accept it. However, it would seem that some that want freedom from it seem to engage in it an awful lot (at least on these forums). So, why is that?

They are removing the ten commandments, they have taken prayer out of schools, and it's politically incorrect to say Merry Christmas now. I think some will not be satisfied until every shred of Jesus Christ is removed from the face of the earth. Got news for you, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

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