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Self- Immolation

 
 
Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 11:56 am
Self- Immolation

What is the meaning and purpose of the sacrifice of Jesus? How does the death of One have the impact to change the whole world? When studying the actions and attitudes of today's generation of Believers, it becomes quite evident that they have failed to grasp the significance of this glorious act. In today's world Jesus' selfless action has been perverted and twisted to the point that it is now seen in a selfish and self-serving manner. Due to improper schooling and the deterioration of man, the popular posture amongst today's followers has become, "Christ did it all so I don't have to." And with this selfish attitude in tow, many have no problem watching Jesus sacrifice alone. While he sacrifices, they themselves sit in relative comfort. Just as long as they believe that Jesus will deliver on his promise of heaven and mansions, they will follow. But when told that they themselves must present a sacrifice, they are immediately revulsed. Having had no intention of seriously lifting a finger, these will search high and low, far and wide for verses to refute what is clearly presented in Scripture. So, did Christ do it all so that you don't have? Did he sacrifice to keep his followers from sacrificing? Today, as we continue on our road to remembrance, let us Start to really examine Jesus' sacrifice. And by examining this sacrifice, we can rightfully answer those questions. And by answering those questions, One can continue to bring to remembrance those things which have been forgotten. And by bringing those things to remembrance, One may be able to fully understand the dynamics which are at work in the world today.

Due to a lack of awareness, during the ages past, Man had a limited understanding of who or what God is. And as a result of this limitation, he could not fully grasp his function. Therefore, when it was revealed that sacrifice was required of him, Man was still in a state of relative ignorance. And while in this state, he incorrectly assumed that the sacrifice which he was asked to perform was limited to the killing of sheep, goats and various four footed animals. Though this thought was not God's intended purpose, he allowed it to be. But as time passed and revelation increased, some in the future generations realized the error that was present in their thinking. And through these realizations, they soon became aware of the fact that sacrifice is not limited to the killing of sheep and other four footed animals. Instead, it exists in many dimensions. They discovered that as a phenomenon, sacrifice actually extends beyond the realm of animal slaughter and into the very essence of Man's existence. And because of this extension, it affected everything and everyone in the known universe.

In addition, during this Discovery they saw that like other known and observable phenomenon, sacrifice was governed by certain Laws and Principles. And with the correct or incorrect application of these principles, One would receive certain desirable or undesirable reactions from God (Gen 4:3-7). And for better or worse, these reactions were able to direct and transform the course of One's existence. From this observation, they determined that the past, present, and future occurrence of life is dependent on sacrifice.

Now, in order to Begin to recall these discoveries, we must first remember that there are many fundamental Laws which govern and control the workings of this three dimensional world. These Laws which are established by God, are relatively constant. And since they are constant, all Believers and Non-Believers alike are under their rule. And while under that rule, all are treated equitably. This stems from the fact that these Laws are unable to see or hear, colors, races, names, and nationalities. Unlike Man, they are only able to see and hear actions. And since they are only able to see and hear actions, your self-designation of Muslim, Christian, or Jew, is of no significance to them. Therefore, when One knowingly or unknowingly proceeds to break any of those Laws, they and all who are involved will suffer the consequences of those violations. For example;

The Law of Gravity equitably applies to all. On the Earth, a group of individuals who collectively decide to jump off of a ten story building without any means of flight, will all descend freely by the force of gravity. And unless there is an object in place to catch them during that fall, all will eventually hit the ground. The Law of Gravity is governed by their actions. It does not hear or see their labels; therefore, whether any of them claim to be Christian, Muslim, or Jew is irrelevant. Gravity does not stop its operation because of their respective designations or affiliations. So, all of those individuals who made the collective decision to jump off of that building, will suffer the consequences of their foolish actions.

The Laws of Motion applies to all. A bullet is unable to think and reason. It does not read labels. Once fired, it will automatically conform to the Laws of Motion. Your self- designation as a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Catholic etcÂ… will not force it to break the Law. Therefore, unless it is acted upon by an outside force, it will impact anyone who knowingly or unknowingly stand in its path.

The Laws of the Jungle applies to all. A hungry beast is unable to reason. When hungry, he will prey on any animal which is foolish enough to cross its path. Your action of crossing his path while he is in a state of hunger is all that he sees. Therefore, during this time of hunger, if you are knowingly or unknowingly in his path, he will not stop to see if you are a Christian, Muslim, Catholic or even his own. He does not care. His only aim or goal is total destruction. And through that destruction, he can feed his insatiable appetite.

Encoded into the story of Jesus' glorious sacrifice, One will find another law: The Law of Immolation or Sacrifice. This simple but fundamental Law, is in the same mold as the aforementioned Principles. And since it is in the same mold as other Laws, then it does not discriminate by self designation or affiliation. Instead, the Law of Immolation distinguishes by individual or collective actions.

Now, the Law of Immolation states: "Whether visible or invisible, large or small, there can be no transformation without a sacrificeWithout sacrifice there can be no visible or invisible transformation."





Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 01:00 pm
Spill the salt. 7 yeras bad luck.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 04:54 pm
Took nearly seven yeras to read it, Dys. :wink:
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 05:01 pm
Unless of course, you throw a pinch over your left shoulder to cancel it out.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 05:02 pm
neologist wrote:
Took nearly seven yeras to read it, Dys. :wink:

I hear that.
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Scott777ab
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 05:40 pm
neologist wrote:
Took nearly seven yeras to read it, Dys. :wink:


LOL actually Neo it took you less than 5 hours according to the post times.

Only reason I say this is this. You say your a christian and yet you just told a lie.
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rockpie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 02:52 am
Jesus sacrificed himself to give us all an opportunity to get to heaven, it doesn't say anywhere that he did it so we could sit bacj and relax.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 10:35 am
Who did he sacrifice himself to?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 12:01 pm
Scott777ab wrote:
neologist wrote:
Took nearly seven yeras to read it, Dys. :wink:


LOL actually Neo it took you less than 5 hours according to the post times.

Only reason I say this is this. You say your a christian and yet you just told a lie.
Yeah, but Scott: A yera is only 49 minutes long.

Oh, did you think I said years?

You must have forgotten, dys and I are both certified neologists. Laughing
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 12:36 pm
rockpie wrote:
Jesus sacrificed himself to give us all an opportunity to get to heaven, it doesn't say anywhere that he did it so we could sit bacj and relax.


One must sacrifice for all.
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 12:37 pm
mesquite wrote:
Who did he sacrifice himself to?


Good question.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 05:35 pm
And not answered.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 05:51 pm
mesquite wrote:
And not answered.
Trinitarians have a hard time with this. Perhaps it is because sacrifice in the days of the OT was dedicated to God. Jesus did indeed sacrifice himself to his father on our behalf because, as Paul noted, he became both king and priest (Hebrews 4:6) This makes it awkward to claim that Jesus was, in fact, God.
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echi
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 06:28 pm
neologist wrote:
mesquite wrote:
And not answered.
Trinitarians have a hard time with this. Perhaps it is because sacrifice in the days of the OT was dedicated to God. Jesus did indeed sacrifice himself to his father on our behalf because, as Paul noted, he became both king and priest (Hebrews 4:6) This makes it awkward to claim that Jesus was, in fact, God.


Jesus caused a ruckus and the Romans killed him. The story got around and came to be understood in relation to the beliefs of those times...
The Legend of Jesus, the Ultimate Blood Sacrifice.
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echi
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 06:38 pm
Makes me think of ol' Abraham.

His new and true "God" never told him to kill his son.

Abraham was torn between his new "God" and his traditional rituals.

Then, right at the climax, Abraham remembers!


What's wrong with that? (besides being Biblically inconsistent... so what?!)
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 11:53 pm
neologist wrote:
mesquite wrote:
And not answered.
Trinitarians have a hard time with this. Perhaps it is because sacrifice in the days of the OT was dedicated to God. Jesus did indeed sacrifice himself to his father on our behalf because, as Paul noted, he became both king and priest (Hebrews 4:6) This makes it awkward to claim that Jesus was, in fact, God.


For sure, sacrificing yourself to yourself is not a concept that ever did much for me.

Then you have the John 3:16 version where the vengeful wrathful god of the OT sacrifices his son to himself so the he (God) can forgive us for offending God. I wouldn't call that an exercise of rational thought either.
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 12:13 pm
neologist wrote:
mesquite wrote:
And not answered.
Trinitarians have a hard time with this. Perhaps it is because sacrifice in the days of the OT was dedicated to God. Jesus did indeed sacrifice himself to his father on our behalf because, as Paul noted, he became both king and priest (Hebrews 4:6) This makes it awkward to claim that Jesus was, in fact, God.


LOL! Who reads the Old Testament these days. What's in the Old Testament does not apply to today. We are under a better covenant. Christ did away with the Old Testament. Etc.... Isn't that the common posture of today's Christians?
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 12:14 pm
echi wrote:
Makes me think of ol' Abraham.

His new and true "God" never told him to kill his son.

Abraham was torn between his new "God" and his traditional rituals.

Then, right at the climax, Abraham remembers!


What's wrong with that? (besides being Biblically inconsistent... so what?!)


What do you mean his "new and true God?" Can you please elaborate on that point?
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echi
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 12:58 pm
Mindonfire wrote:
echi wrote:
Makes me think of ol' Abraham.
His new and true "God" never told him to kill his son.
Abraham was torn between his new "God" and his traditional rituals.
Then, right at the climax, Abraham remembers!

What's wrong with that? (besides being Biblically inconsistent... so what?!)


What do you mean his "new and true God?" Can you please elaborate on that point?


You know. . . God(as in the one, true).
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rockpie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 05:46 am
mesquite - he sacrificed himself for the whole of mankind. he died so that we may all have life and life to the full. he died, he sacrificed himself so that mankind didn't have to be resticted to the worldly things and were able to be forgiven for their sins. he died for me equally as he died for you, and anybody else.
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