Multiple Shootings at Amish SchoolHouse

I was not thinking about him,
in considering your question qua militia.
I tend to think of him as a deranged individual
( with some help from one other fellow, who was found guilty )
who got very, very upset at the government 's massacer at Waco.
However, thinking back on it,
I do remember that he was said to have been involved with militia.







Yes.
I am unaware of that.
I don 't have much interest in fellows
stomping thru the woods with rifles.

Regardless of what I said b4 qua the original concept
of citizens removing an unsatisfactory government
( e.g., if elections were suspended indefinitely )
there still wud be MAJOR problems with militia
generating a practical effect for several very significant reasons.



My interest is more focused upon
unencumbered freedom of self defense
from common criminals.
It seems to me that government shud
be very eageryly supportive of citizens
who find a need to defend themselves from criminal violence.
Instead the same government that is financed by the victims,
turns against them when thay defend themselves,
e.g., a NY case wherein some burglars were trying to get away
in their getaway car. Their victim homeowner shot out
a tire of that car, with a shotgun, to restrain their departure
and HE was dragged away in chains by the police
for whom he held the criminals at gunpoint.
I believe that the P.B.A. sees the defensive use of violence
as an incursion upon their union turf;
u may say that I am rong,
but that is how I see it.
( The police wud not have done the same thing if the victim
had happened to be a brother union member. )






If u check the proclamations
of both the mayor and his police chief,
u 'll find that thay said that they will take all weapons
from everyone in New Orleans.
HOWEVER,
it is undenied fact
that for a time ( maybe 2 or 3 weeks ? )
after Katrina, police activity was limited to rescue
of flood victims. That was said repeatedly on TV.
Indeed, thay showed police, in full uniform,
participating in the looting
and a reporter even interviewed one of them,
while she was doing the looting.

I re-iterate that I saw a videotape
of about 10 police, in uniform,
breaking into the home of an old lady
and jumping on her to rob her of her defensive gun.



The citizens have as much right to possess guns
as they have to vote.
The mayor and his police chief revoked the US Constitution--
the Supreme Law of the Land-- in New Orleans.

After a Federal judge ordered the return of the guns,
the stolen guns still remain in the hands of the robbers ( i.e., the police )
who are keeping them in some trailers.




Yes;
that is very clear.
Let 's be aware that possessing guns
is not just a matter of PRUDENCE,
like taking good care of your teeth;
IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

That means that the decision of whether
a citizen will exercise that right ( like going to vote in November )
is within the personal discretion of THE CITIZEN,
not any agent of government.

I like the way the USSC put it
in PLANNED PARENTHOOD v. CASEY (1992) 112 S.Ct. 2791 (P. 28O5)
The US Supreme Court declares that:
"...by the express provisions of the FIRST EIGHT amendments to the Constitution"
rights were "guaranteed to THE INDIVIDUAL ...

It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty
which the government may not enter." [emphasis added]
The 2nd Amendment is within "the first eight amendments".

The Court also adopted the Harlan dissent in POE v. ULLMAN 367 US 497 that:
"...'liberty' is not a series of isolated points...in terms of the taking of property;
the freedom of speech, press and religion; the RIGHT TO KEEP and BEAR ARMS;
the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures....
It is a rational continuum which...includes a freedom from all arbitrary impositions ..."[emphasis added]




The criminals are already armed.
The criminals do not deserve trust.
The criminals are not cooperative: thay r predatory.

david, you are one sick puppy.

Don 't u think u 'd make better use of this forum
if u pointed out the specific sickness
to which u refer, rather than just hurl an insult ?


Anyone can do THAT.

more specific? ok, david you are one VERY sick puppy.

I guess that 's the best u can do.

Looks like I expected too much of u.

Here, Dys - lemme help ya out. He wants specific...

You are a paranoid schizophrenic, with tendencies toward delusional narcissism and an obsessional fixation on firearms and weaponry. You should be observed at great length to determine potential of violence to others.

The interesting thing is that both dys and I (and a few others not engaged in OSD "sermon on the mount"), own guns. I have recently retaken up goose hunting and I target shoot , and do have some pistols and long guns.

I think that dys point was that we , whikle owning guns, arent obsessed with them, outside of keeping them clean and limiting their accessibility.
OSD has suffered from his own bad press herein and so had he to do this thread all over, I think hed do a "mock trial" with aslightly different theory and approach



I dont write in large neologisms nor do I charge people who disagree with me with insanity or genetic problems. I think OSD has got himself into this corner of :no credibility" by his own choice of words and his delivery style. While he may be a perfectly sane and reasonable member of society (however , being a lawyer, does lose him points) . He just doesnt appear so.

Therfeore, Im gonna say that OSD is merely dicking with us and he, in life, is really a Barney Fife kind of person.

Farmerman
Hey, Farmerman, are you trying to give Barney Fief a bad name? ---BBB

Barneyisms
From Episode #93, "Dogs, Dogs, Dogs"

Opie: Pa, them dogs are out there. They are out there in that open field. (Thunder) I'm worried about 'em Pa.

Andy: Well, you needn't be.

Barney: Opie, you don't have to worry about 'em. What could happen?

Opie: Well, that lightning, what about that?

Barney: Oh, a dog can't get struck by lightning. You know why? Because he's too close to the ground. See, lightning strikes tall things. Now if they were giraffes out there, then we'd be in trouble. You sure don't have to worry about dogs. (Thunder)

Opie: I'm worried about 'em, Pa.

Andy: Ah..
Barney: What were dogs a million years ago, wild animals, right? Wolves, coyotes, they know how to hunt and fish and look for shelter. You take them two big Airedales. Why they looked as healthy as horses to me. And the little spotted one, he was in fine shape.

Opie: But the little one I first came in with, he was a trembler, wasn't he?

Barney: Him? why, the big ones will take care of him. The big ones take care of their own. (Thunder) And you know dogs have a way of keepin' dry. Ya know that, They're insulated, you see, they've got this fur...it keeps them cool in the summer and warm and dry in the winter. They're really set up better than human beings as far as that goes. (Thunder and lightning) And as far as the little one goes, why the big ones, they'll take care of him...the little trembly one...(Thunder) and they're short, you see, close to the ground, that way they can't get struck by lightning. Now if they wuz giraffes they'd have been hit by now, uh..., but dogs are short and they take care of their own. Giraffes don't. No, giraffes don't at all. Boy, giraffes are selfish, just run around looking out for number one, getting hit by lightning, but dogs....(Thunder) You just gonna sit there or you coming with me??

Andy: What?

Barney: To get them dogs, are you coming with me?

From Episode # 90, "Barney's First Car"

Barney: This is just about the biggest thing I ever bought.
Andy: It's a major step.

Barney: The last big buy I made was my mom's and dad's anniversary present.

Andy: What did you get them?

Barney: A septic tank.

Andy: For their anniversary?

Barney: Yeah, oh they're really hard to buy for. Besides it was something they could use. They were really thrilled. Two tons of concrete, all steel reinforced.

Andy: You're a fine son, Barn.

Barney: I try.

From Episode #108, "Opie and His Merry Men"

Aunt Bee: Andy, did you take an apple pie from home this morning? I've lost my apple pie.
Andy: I didn't take it.

Aunt Bee: This is strange. Mrs. Brewer called and said someone walked off with half a turkey, Mrs. Jason called and says somebody has raided her fruit and vegetable bin.

Andy: Huh...Mrs. Porter just said somebody took a whole ham.

Aunt Bee: Heavens, what do you think it is?

Andy: I don't know.

Barney: You know what I think it is?

Andy: Huh?

Barney: I think it's a fox.

Andy: A fox?

Barney: Yeah a fox. Come down out of the hills. You know we had this dry spell, well they come down out of the hills for food and water. That's what it is. A hungry fox forging around.

Aunt Bee: A fox, for goodness sake. A fox, loose here in Mayberry? (Aunt Bee leaves)

Andy: A fox, huh?

Barney: Yeah, a fox.

Andy: Will you answer me one thing?

Barney: What?

Andy: How can a fox open a refrigerator door...

From Episode #103, "Opie's Ill-Gotten Gain"

Barney: Boy, I tell you, if I ever came home with anything less than As, I just didn't dare come home.
Andy: I don't remember you getting all As.

Barney: I did that once. Remember? The teacher made such a fuss about it that all the kids hated me.

Andy: I don't remember.

Barney: Well, it's a fact. I didn't want 'em thinking I was some kind of a snob or an egghead or something, so I buckled down and got bad marks.

Andy: That must have taken real effort.

Barney: You think you're kidding. Listen, an IQ can be a mixed blessing sometimes. Some people want it and can't get it. I got it and had to get rid of it. Life's funny that way, you know?

From Episode #91, "The Rivals"

Barney: Nice guys finish last. I know, I went through it. Little Vickie Harms. I wasn't no bigger than Opie. I met her over by the ice cream parlor. Stepped outside one day with my raspberry snow cone, there she was. She just stopped me cold. Head to foot, I was just clammy all over. I knew it was love. Icy chills just run all over me.
Andy: Sounds to me more like your show cone was leaking.

Barney: Boy I sure did like her.

Andy: She didn't like you back, huh?

Barney: Oh well no, it wasn't that so much. I don't know. It was mostly her stuck up attitude.

Andy: Yeah?

Barney: She used to walk around in long curls and print dresses and patented leather shoes and her nose up in the air. Boy she really thought she was hot stuff.

Andy: Why?

Barney: Oh her Daddy was in the civil service. Boy if I knew then what I know now. She used to do one thing that really used to burn me up.

Andy: What was that.

Barney: Well you know how I like snow cones...

Andy: Raspberry.

Barney: Right. Well there wasn't a day went by that I didn't offer that girl a bite of my snow cone. You know what she used to do every single time?

Andy: What?

Barney: She used to bite off the end, sip out all the syrup, and leave me with nothing but the ice.

Andy: The ice?

Barney: Yeah, the ice.

Andy: That's terrible.

Barney: Yeah.

Andy: Today you'd know different.

Barney: Oh are you kidding. Listen if I had a date with Vickie Harms today, and I got myself all shaved, and I went over to her house with my snow cone, you know what I'd do?

Andy: What?

Barney: The minute she opened that door, I bite off the end of the cone, sip out the syrup, and hand her the ice. What do you think of that?

Andy: Well I'll tell you the truth, Barn. If I was Vickie Harms and a thirty-five year old man come up to my house with a snow cone in his hand, I wouldn't even answer the door.

For the sake of his family and neighbors fm, I hope you're right - that he's more "Fife" than "Mcveigh"...

If he's a Barney Fife, I only hope he-- like the original-- is limited to one bullet held in the custody of an Andy.

I never knew that Andy kept Barneys bullet. OSD could have it both ways then. He could pack, but he wouldnt hurt himself or anyone else.(Unless he got really crazy and started beating people with his gun butt)

He would have to hold the barrel to do that. I am sure that he wouldn't want to point even an unloaded weapon at himself. I hope he keeps the safey on.

It appears that the blacksmith
is lost in infinite separation from reality;
( even from the reality of Mayberry, such as it was ),
in his quest to make me look bad.

He is distorting classical Americana in his hopelessly emotional effort
to make me look bad.

Shame on u, blacksmith.
David

If Blacksmith is lost in an infinite separation from reality, then you, Sir, are somewhere the other side of Pluto. Blacksmith, or anybody else, don't have to make you look bad. You do a splendid job on your own.

If Blacksmith is lost in an infinite separation from reality, then you, Sir, are somewhere the other side of Pluto. Blacksmith, or anybody else, doesn't have to make you look bad. You do a splendid job on your own.

BTW, if you are referring to Blacksmith....why do you quote farmerman? :wink: