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THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

 
 
Francis
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2008 01:38 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
Socrates had took an oil lamp in Athen during the high summer midday in the main street..
I search humanity..



Ok, Rama.

You said you are here to learn:

First, the man with the lamp was not Socrates but Diogenes of Sinope.

But that's ok, he was Socrates pupil.

Now, he was not searching humanity, but an honest man.

And it seems to me that you act more like Diogenes than like Socrates.

Indeed, "Diogenes was a self-appointed public scold whose mission was to demonstrate to the ancient Greeks that civilization is regressive", in the very way you do towards USA.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2008 01:43 pm
Francis.
Thanks for your valuable correction.
In Indian school books it was mentioned like I had typed above.
I will make some research to know the facts.
But I hope some Greek people can make my job to find out the man who was he.
Regards.
Rama
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2008 04:18 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
If I were a criminal to make use of barbaric weapon I would have killed all the hypocrats.
Since i am not a criminal barbarism prevails and hypocracy ruins.
Rama

Do u know what a hypocrit IS ?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2008 04:23 pm
Yes.
Do you wish to get some clarfication about that word?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 01:37 pm
Passive resistance is a method of securing rights by personal suffering; it is the reverse of resistance by arms.

Passive resistance was a preparation for active resistance of arms.

Passive resistance is an all-sided sword; it can be used anyhow; it blesses him who uses it and him against whom it is used.

Passive resistance is a misnomer for nonviolent resistance. It is much more active than violent resistance.

Passive resistance is a negative thing, and it has nothing of the active principle of love.

Passive resistance, unlike nonviolence, has no power to change men’s hearts.

The sword of passive resistance does not require a scabbard.

Jesus Christ, Daniel and Socrates represented the purest form of passive resistance or soul force

Those are the words of Mahathma Gandhi who was shot dead for no fault.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 02:33 pm
omsigDavid
I read all your intellectual views about Stalin, Hitler and the noble use of Guns.

Why the hell the Bristish colonial master had left India due to a half naked fakir whose name is still unpopular?
Why the hell a hindu fundamentalist kill that half naked Fakir after independance..
Why the hell Sadam hussain was trained by USA intellectuals?
Why the hell some people like me have no bread to munch?

Be precise without highsounding words.
I am a die hard non-violent COMMUNIST
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 03:10 pm
David
Hitler who had tortured, maimed, killed with his weapons had commited suicide
while his counterpart Gandhi had chased away the most powerful BRISTISH EMPIRE without the plastic gadgetswas shot dead.

let us forget the one who shot dead with weapons
and uphold the one who is not educated enough
but barbaric enough to make his efforts with the help of intellectuals.

Rama
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 07:52 pm
Don't buy any book for your children .
Dress properly and eqiup with enough weapons
and forget not to give some pocket money to buy bigMc or ice.
Future is perfect.
While the kids are in school don't forget to sit in the living room with some potatoe chips and watch the CNN or any Talk show intellectuals.
The world is perfect.
Ask not me which is the capital for Germany or Etheopea.
The world is wonderful.
life prolongs.
Death levels
Rama
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2008 06:29 am
Ramafuchs wrote:
Passive resistance is a method of securing rights by personal suffering; it is the reverse of resistance by arms.

Passive resistance was a preparation for active resistance of arms.

Passive resistance is an all-sided sword; it can be used anyhow; it blesses him who uses it and him against whom it is used.

Passive resistance is a misnomer for nonviolent resistance. It is much more active than violent resistance.

Passive resistance is a negative thing, and it has nothing of the active principle of love.

Passive resistance, unlike nonviolence, has no power to change men’s hearts.

The sword of passive resistance does not require a scabbard.

Jesus Christ, Daniel and Socrates represented the purest form of passive resistance or soul force

Thank u for that information, Rama.
Do u believe that the communists shud have used passive resistance
when the nazis invaded Russia ?



Quote:
Those are the words of Mahathma Gandhi who was shot dead for no fault.

Do u believe that Gandhi 'd have been better off
if he had at least a pistol to defend himself
so that he 'd NOT have been shot ?

or was it better for Gandhi to get killed ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2008 06:52 am
Ramafuchs wrote:
Don't buy any book for your children.

Well, children can borrow from my library.
I have many books on the value of laissez faire capitalism
(like Human Action by Ludwig von Mises)
and on collecting guns. Children like guns.
I always did, when I was that age.





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Dress properly and eqiup with enough weapons

Yes, Rama; those things are important.



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and forget not to give some pocket money to buy bigMc or ice.

Yes. I give them plenty of cash, when thay ask for it.
Thay can use it to go to the movies, or buy toys or clothes that thay like,
or whatever thay please. When the cash runs out, I 'll give them some more when thay ask for it.



Quote:

Future is perfect.

I admire your optimism.




Quote:

While the kids are in school don't forget to sit in the living room
with some potatoe chips and watch the CNN or any Talk show intellectuals.

OK; I 'll have cheese dip too,
and tasty chocolate, with caramel.
Thay r flavorful; maybe order in some pizza or roast chicken.





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The world is perfect.

Good point.




Quote:

Ask not me which is the capital for Germany or Etheopea.

OK.
I 'll Google it, if I need to.




Quote:

The world is wonderful.

Yeah; I think so too.
That 's Y I founded the Opulent Mensan Special Interest Group:
to explore the world with good friends and enjoy it to the maximum.
For the most part, we enjoy the best restaurants of Manhattan,
and we fly around America, to conventions enjoying the best food available in those cities.





Quote:

life prolongs.
Death levels
Rama
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2009 08:10 pm
Good news. Appeals court heard arguments for Nordyke v. King yesterday.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Nordyke_v._King


The judges were extremely favorable towards the idea of applying the Second Amendment to state and local governments.
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BenSlam
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 10:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I realize this is an old thread. Have you ever read any of the other founding fathers, including Jefferson, on his views on firearms? Had you studied these you'd know he did not mean militia as a government or other force, but merely an armed citizenry able to react. Also, back then people knew their neighbors from miles away. Now they don't know the names of the people next to them in a duplex.
BenSlam
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 10:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Had you studied Jefferson numerous writings you would know his stance on gun control, or the lack thereof. Citizenry is how he would term a militia. Back then people knew neighbors from miles around. Now people don't know who lives in the same duplex with them.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 02:24 am
@BenSlam,
BenSlam wrote:
I realize this is an old thread.
Have you ever read any of the other founding fathers,
including Jefferson, on his views on firearms?
YES.




BenSlam wrote:
Had you studied these you'd know he did not mean militia as a government or other force,
but merely an armed citizenry able to react.
That is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I am keenly aware of that.
I have been aware of it for several decades. I dunno Y u imply that I don't know it.





David



OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 02:27 am
@BenSlam,
BenSlam wrote:
Had you studied Jefferson numerous writings
you would know his stance on gun control, or the lack thereof.
Among them is a letter to his 12 year old nephew, reminding the lad
to take his gun with him, whenever he goes out for a walk,
and to use it, in practice for profiency; builds character. He preferred gunnery to ball games.





David
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 05:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
That is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I am keenly aware of that.
I have been aware of it for several decades. I dunno Y u imply that I don't know it.


He should have directed that to me. I'll take him up on that issue.

But I'm dead tired -- just woke up with caffeine withdrawal, am brewing a pot of coffee, and am going back to sleep when I get my caffeine fix -- will have to return when my brain is operational.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 03:25 pm
@BenSlam,
BenSlam wrote:
I realize this is an old thread. Have you ever read any of the other founding fathers, including Jefferson, on his views on firearms? Had you studied these you'd know he did not mean militia as a government or other force, but merely an armed citizenry able to react. Also, back then people knew their neighbors from miles away. Now they don't know the names of the people next to them in a duplex.


The Framers wrote the Constitution.

Note Article I Section 8 Clause 15:
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

And Article I Section 8 Clause 16:
"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"


That establishes considerable government control over the militia.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2012 05:03 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If only those schoolchildren had guns, why it might not have happened.


I'd suggest that school principals be required to keep an M-16 in their office, and that they be required to be fully trained in how to use it.

CCW for teachers would help as well.


It's nice to notice that my views have not changed much in all these years.
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genefog2
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2013 09:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It cracks me up that you people are so ignorant that you actually can even make such a statement. I'm just curious about when you heard a pro gun advocate suggest arming kidsx in schools. With that level of mentality, no wonder you people think a school with a gun ban sign and no armed faculty members is a good place to be, in the face of how often you have been proved wrong. When your logic has caused death, and you choose to remain foolish, I cant put that level of ignorance into words. I'm glad the kids I raised did not go to schools around you. Go share your logic with the grave stones of the kids killed by armed men who were not stopped because the schools were following your logic. I'm sure they would thank you for your thoughts.
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genefog2
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2013 09:29 am
@dyslexia,
Your name suits you, dyslexia because anyone who thinks gun advocates want armed kids is unable to read or think, or use intelligence. No one ever suggested such a thing. But be happy! Your schools heard you, and put up signs banning guns, and as a result the criminals who came in killed who they wanted. That should satisfy you.
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