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THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 09:00 pm
oralloy wrote:
Dartagnan wrote:
It's funny how whenever someone opens fire on innocent people, it somehow becomes an argument for MORE guns in the community.


What is funny about it?

The primary cause of crime is unarmed victims.


Do you have facts to back this up? Are you saying that crime is caused because people are not armed? Does that mean that if everybody carried a gun, there would be no crime? Question Question
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 09:02 pm
oralloy wrote:
Mame wrote:
There have been cases of children killing other children because they were gun-toting. What you are suggesting is insane. Children are not rational or mature enough to handle weapons, and weaponry is not the answer to most situations.


While I agree that the children should not be the ones with the guns at school, weaponry is the answer in a situation when a deranged killer is slaughtering people.


What would you suggest for the weapon of choice against a bomber?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 09:04 pm
oralloy
Quote:
What is wrong with carrying a gun at the grocery store?!?!
. Cause i can see most anyone armed going berserk and Id hate to have an allout gunbattle break out in the deteregent aisle.

Imagine road rage if people in cars were armed. Weve had a number of shootings and a few murders due to road rage in Philly. The only thing that allowed a bird flipping to turn into a homicide is what ?

You trust people to do the right thing and just use guns for defense? riiiiight.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 09:07 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Has anyone noticed
that when the police
are studying in THEIR classes,
that no one bursts in on them,
shooting up the classroom,
nor taking any hostages of the police ??


Have u ever wondered Y
criminals choose to attack UNARMED students
rather than armed police, when thay are studying ??

David


You are kidding, right? You've got to be kidding.
You can't be serious. However, You probably are.

OK, Canadian:
I challenge u to EXPLAIN
the reason that I 've got to be " kidding "
and that I " can t be serious "; go ahead.

Make some sense out of that argument
instead of just mindlessly emoting about it.
David


You sure like the word, mindless, don't you. Do you hear it a lot?

You've got to be kidding because no sane person would contemplate such a thing. You would first have to do a serious study on the reason that these things happen in the first place. Do you think that a deranged gunman would stop to think about who may be armed when they burst into a place? Do you think anybody would be foolish enough to attack a police station? Why would they do that? Why would they want to take hostages in a police station?

I figured you couldn 't be serious because it was so dumb.

BTW - Why is everything a challenge to you? Is that part of your mindset? Oh, and thanks for noticing that I am a Canadian. A proud Canadian.

Wow, you actually typed that whole thing without using giant, coloured and ugly fonts. Well done.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 09:44 pm
oralloy wrote:
The primary cause of crime is unarmed victims.

Are you insane? This is a serious question.
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 10:07 pm
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Mame wrote:
There have been cases of children killing other children because they were gun-toting. What you are suggesting is insane. Children are not rational or mature enough to handle weapons, and weaponry is not the answer to most situations.


While I agree that the children should not be the ones with the guns at school, weaponry is the answer in a situation when a deranged killer is slaughtering people.


Excuse me but if some nut has an Ak-47 or whatever passes for an automatic machine gun these days, how are kiddies' guns going to help? They'd be dead before they got them out of their lunch kits.

Oralloy, you are just as bad as OmSigDavid. Guns do not belong anywhere near children, much less innocent people. If you want to shoot someone specifically, why should anyone else be 'fall out'?

Guns are NOT the answer and the United States should listen to that.

One of the saddest things I've ever heard was a young boy calling 911 because he'd shot his 8 yr old sister - he'd pointed a gun (unknowingly loaded) at her through a glass door and pulled the trigger. She dropped dead immediately. He was hysterical and blaming himself. He was 9. How sad was that?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 12:36 am
A Leader in today's The Guardian:

Triggering tragedy

Quote:
It is a tragic truth that the killer of the Amish girls had no criminal record and was described by his wife as a good husband and father, so on the face of it there would have been no bar to him buying his shotgun, semi-automatic pistol, rifle and ammunition. It is doubtless also true that most US gun owners are respectable, law-abiding citizens. But it is hard to see the sense of opposing at least criminal background checks on every gun purchase and limits on the number of firearms an individual can purchase at any one time or in a given period. The ban on handguns introduced after Dunblane in 1996 has not ended all gun crime in Britain but it has helped keep it mostly in the underworld.

Amazingly to many non-Americans, gun control remains a taboo in US politics. Gun ownership and hunting are the norm in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. The Brady law, requiring background checks, though not for unlicensed dealers, was resisted tooth and nail. Bill Clinton tried but failed to ban the sale of all automatic weapons. Opponents of control are even against statutes banning guns on school premises, and expressed concern yesterday that "emotion would now carry the day". But after this latest terrible atrocity, emotion might be a very good basis on which to proceed.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 12:39 am
The answer to gun violence? More guns. Why is anyone taking this nut case seriously?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:04 am
I'm on record somewhere on a2k as being very anti bomb, and somewhat less on record re anti gun. I stopped talking with Oraloy a long time ago.

Most of my friends and my ex hub as well don't mind a rifle in the house or actively want one. My ex lived through a home invasion in south LA as a teen, so I didn't make a stand when he wanted a rifle in our home. In our years together it was not an issue, but I'll skip along and say that after all these years I wouldn't do that again.

I do understand people in rural areas with lives lived close to the land wanting a rifle.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:58 am
Wilso wrote:
The answer to gun violence? More guns. Why is anyone taking this nut case seriously?



Nobody does.

Except Americans.



Is their gun death rate social darwinism?

Probably not, because the sane ones are as much at risk as the insane ones.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:04 am
Pah, Dlowan. You and ehBeth, with whom I mostly agree, keep up with 'americans' slamming. Can you not see we in the US are not all of a piece?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:12 am
ossobuco wrote:
Pah, Dlowan. You and ehBeth, with whom I mostly agree, keep up with 'americans' slamming. Can you not see we in the US are not all of a piece?


Yes.

Can you not read with comprehension?

Seemingly not.


If yopu wish to see my comment as an attack on all Americans, I have no control over your blindness.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:37 am
Blindness? I can't read? Oh, thanks.

I am surely among the most weapon phobic on this website. But I get to be slammed routinely as I read about americans.

I'll admit I might have missed some holding back somewhere on some post, but 'generally' I see a 'general' condemnation thing going on.

Can't you work it into your text to say 'some americans'?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:48 am
ossobuco wrote:
Blindness? I can't read? Oh, thanks.

I am surely among the most weapon phobic on this website. But I get to be slammed routinely as I read about americans.

I'll admit I might have missed some holding back somewhere on some post, but 'generally' I see a 'general' condemnation thing going on.

Can't you work it into your text to say 'some americans'?
\


Sigh.


Do you think there is another western democracy in the world which tolerates this madness?

Why does the US?


Because the lunatics are in charge of the asylum.



If you read this to mean all Americans are lunatics, then I cannot help it if you decide not to understand what I am saying.


So...get busy on opposing the lunatics actively, instead of misreading what people write about the madness dominating your political decision making on this.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:50 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:


Why are there schools, if you can't go there without guns?


Guns are used by school children as a way to cope with their problems. Shouldn't children be learning new and different methods of coping?

But how can this be done?

Professional football's on TV most of the weekend. Have you ever seen a nonviolent football game? What do you think of the coping skills of a professional football player who slams his foot ontop of the head of an opposing team-mate?

Maybe it's time to ban violent sports, before we start to ban guns for students.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:56 am
blatham wrote:
No one else feels so small and insignificant and ignored as omsig.


Nonsense! Dave is a high caliber criminal lawyer and a mensa member. Why would he ever feel inferior?

Are you jealous?

I think you are. Embarrassed
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:57 am
In the meantime, you verbally slapped americans in the post before our argument.
You don't know my efforts with my government reps.

Stop with the general slamming. I virtually always agree with you on issues. I so hate to be dismissed, along with all the rest of americans who agree with you on one thing or another. We are not a slam dunk whole group. Sort of like, heh, muslims.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:58 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If only those schoolchildren had guns, why it might not have happened.

Cycloptichorn


What if the teachers had locked the doors, when school started that day?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:59 am
Quote:
BY CHELSEA J. CARTER
Associated Press

ATLANTA -- The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found.
The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000.


The study, done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is the first comprehensive international look at gun-related deaths. It was published Thursday in the International Journal of Epidemiology.
The CDC would not speculate why the death rates varied, but other researchers said easy access to guns and society's acceptance of violence are part of the problem in the United States.
``If you have a country saturated with guns -- available to people when they are intoxicated, angry or depressed -- it's not unusual guns will be used more often,'' said Rebecca Peters, a Johns Hopkins University fellow specializing in gun violence. ``This has to be treated as a public health emergency.''


This is the hit on "America". These are historical and cultural facts and propensities which have consequences.

Obviously, not all Americans are of the Oralloy or Omsig sort, feeling manly and independent only with a bazooka pointing out of their arses.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:59 am
oralloy wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If only those schoolchildren had guns, why it might not have happened.


I'd suggest that school principals be required to keep an M-16 in their office, and that they be required to be fully trained in how to use it.

CCW for teachers would help as well.


Most urban high schools in the US now have armed city cops patrolling the corridors to keep the students and teachers safe.
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