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THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

 
 
Halfback
 
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Reply Tue 30 Oct, 2007 08:40 pm
Speaking of 1st Amendment...... I half heard on the radio the other day (perhaps incorrectly) that the New York City Council has banned the "N-word". (It MAY have been "...a city in New York".) (I shall rely on Blatham to let me know which.) Question

Either way, does not that constitute limitations on free speech? Is such a law, if it even exists, Constitutional? Confused

To my way of thinking either we have free speech or we have free speech, except for an ever growing list of exceptions. If we have the latter, then, I submit, we don't have free speech at all.

A bone of contention Advocate and I have been discussing for a while. :wink:

Halfback
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 30 Oct, 2007 08:51 pm
Yes, it's true, you can no longer order mole negro at your favorite NYC mexican restaurant.
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Halfback
 
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Reply Tue 30 Oct, 2007 10:02 pm
Well, I'll be dipped. I hope someone tests that one at the Supreme Court level quickly. The very idea of banning "Hate Speech" sounds very Orwellian to me. Not to mention very anti-1st Amendment.

Halfback
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 30 Oct, 2007 10:25 pm
The one thing you could ban which would really do the black race some good would be the demoKKKrat party.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 07:37 am
Hey, I think banning hate speech is unconstitutional.

Banning Gunga would, however, be constitutional. I know of no constitutional protections for such an individual who is so hateful and obnoxious.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2007 08:50 pm
Advocate wrote:
Hey, I think banning hate speech is unconstitutional.

Banning Gunga would, however, be constitutional.
I know of no constitutional protections for such an individual
who is so hateful and obnoxious.

1. = protection of the law

2. How do u ban an individual ?

3. Ban an individual for having an emotion ?
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Halfback
 
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Reply Thu 1 Nov, 2007 09:14 pm
Until that person does something against the law...... hateful and obnoxious persons have every right to be so. Despite the fact that the world would probably be better off without some of them.

What HAS to be watched for is situations where the freedoms we are guaranteed are curtailed by the Government "for our own good". I haven't needed a "baby sitter" for well over half a century now, I'll be damned if I want the Government to be a surrogate.

Halfback
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 2 Nov, 2007 04:13 am
Advocate wud summon the thought police.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 2 Nov, 2007 04:18 am
Halfback wrote:
Until that person does something against the law......
hateful and obnoxious persons have every right to be so.
Despite the fact that the world would probably be better off without some of them.

What HAS to be watched for is situations where the freedoms we are guaranteed
are curtailed by the Government "for our own good".
I haven't needed a "baby sitter" for well over half a century now,
I'll be damned if I want the Government to be a surrogate.

Halfback

Very true.
Government was created to defend us
from alien raids & invasions,
and from the depredations of domestic criminals,
NOT to protect us from our own poor judgment.

If government ventures to protect us from the effects
of our own judgment, then it does so by an act of USURPATION,
and with the same authority as a schoolyard bully to steal lunch money.

David
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 2 Nov, 2007 10:28 am
Advocate wrote:
Hey, I think banning hate speech is unconstitutional.

Banning Gunga would, however, be constitutional. I know of no constitutional protections for such an individual who is so hateful and obnoxious.


Good logic: I'm against gangsterism and evil and therefore I must be a negativist...
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 2 Nov, 2007 03:07 pm
You guys are so literal. I was joking about banning Gunga. After all, he may have some good qualities that are completely unapparent.

Further, I know of no law that could be used to ban him, but I will continue to conduct research on this.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 2 Nov, 2007 09:45 pm
Advocate wrote:



Quote:
You guys are so literal.

That 's what it MEANS to be a conservative: we don 't deviate.
He who does, by definition, is not a conservative.

David
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Halfback
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 04:01 pm
I keep looking in the Dictionary for a "Bad" meaning for literal, but can't seem to find one. Cool

Apparently Advocate does not like folks to be literal. OK. I can live with that. However...... what do we term such a person? :wink:

Unliteral? Literalless? Antiliteral? Nonliteral? Semiliteral? Quasiliteral? WOW! We could form a whole new branch of PolCor Speak here! Rolling Eyes

Halfback
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 05:13 pm
The following linked article relates to the literal-minded person. However, it may be too figurative for you.

http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2007/01/the_curiously_l.html
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 05:22 pm
Halfback wrote:
I keep looking in the Dictionary for a "Bad" meaning for literal, but can't seem to find one. Cool

Apparently Advocate does not like folks to be literal. OK. I can live with that. However...... what do we term such a person? :wink:

Unliteral? Literalless? Antiliteral? Nonliteral? Semiliteral? Quasiliteral? WOW! We could form a whole new branch of PolCor Speak here! Rolling Eyes

Halfback
fruit-cake.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 05:47 pm
Of course, Dys doesn't mean that literally.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 05:49 pm
snood wrote:
Of course, Dys doesn't mean that literally.
quite right, literally I mean "totally retarded psychopath"
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 01:19 am
Halfback wrote:
Well, I'll be dipped.
I hope someone tests that one at the Supreme Court level quickly.
The very idea of banning "Hate Speech" sounds very Orwellian to me.
Not to mention very anti-1st Amendment.

Halfback

NO government in America
was ever invested with the jurisdiction
to control the citizens' emotions.
Thay were granted some jurisdiction
to control the citizens' objective CONDUCT, in some instances.
Hence, government in America can only endeavor to control EMOTIONS,
by acts of ultra vires USURPATION.

Governments usurping political power
is the same as bank tellers grabbing some currency
from the vault, on the way home.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 01:57 am
Halfback wrote:
I keep looking in the Dictionary for a "Bad" meaning for literal, but can't seem to find one. Cool

Apparently Advocate does not like folks to be literal.
OK. I can live with that. However...... what do we term such a person? :wink:

Unliteral? Literalless? Antiliteral? Nonliteral? Semiliteral? Quasiliteral?

Halfback

Call them LIBERAL.
Thay r liberal because thay DEVIATE.
The essence of liberalism is that deviation.
Literal = conservative; i.e., unbending, rigidly adhering to an idea; orthodox.

For instance, I had a cousin-in-law,
who was a bus dispatcher. His employer had a zero tolerance policy
for tardiness; accordingly, when bus drivers arrived for work,
when thay were even a minute late, thay were turned away, rejected,
and thay lost a day 's pay. He reported that this policy was not popular
with the bus drivers. Thay wanted a more liberal puntuality policy,
such that thay 'd be accepted if thay arrived ten minutes late.
If thay were accepted and paid, after arriving an hour late,
that wud MORE LIBERAL.

If thay were accepted and paid after arriving 3 hours late for work,
that wud be still MORE LIBERAL; if thay were still paid after reporting
a few weeks late for work, that wud be even more liberal.

Paying them for no work at all, wud be radical.

If a surgeon takes a liberal vu
of his hospital 's requirement that he wash his hands
before entering the bodies of the patients,
he might deem it sufficient if he washes only one hand.

Being LITERAL indicates unbendingly, rigidly applying the rules.
That is the exact opposite of liberalism.
Liberals desire rules to be applied FLEXIBLY, with little regard for technicality.

For instance, if a liberal is playing poker
and he claims to have won the pot
with a diamond flush, he will deem it close enuf, if he has 4 diamonds and a heart.
If the other players object,
he will deplore them for literally applying the rules of poker.
He will accuse them of being TOO TECHNICAL.


Liberals hold literalism ( or truth ) in abhorence
because of the absence of the flexibility of interpretation that thay desire
and that is the reason that liberals on this thread
have hurled emotional, ad hominem acrimony against Halfback.

David
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 09:14 am
Dave, are you losing it? I am surprised that even you would waste all that time writing that patent crapola.

BTW, is it conservative to engage in massive government spending on a giant credit card (running up the national debt)? Liberal Clinton ran surpluses. Is it conservative to lie the country into a war (as Bush has done)? Is it conservative to allow one in three people to go without, or with inadequate, health insurance? Is it conservative to massively subsidize highly-profitable energy and health insurance firms (as the Reps have done)?
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