THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

On shooting:

You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight.
- Barry Goldwater, 1909 - 1998

Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules, and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting.
- George Orwell, 1903 - 1950

I started shooting when I was much too far away. That was merely a trick of mine. I did not mean so much as to hit him as to frighten him, and I succeeded in catching him. He began flying curves and this enabled me to draw near.
- Manfred von Richthofen, 1892 - 1918

The supreme irony of business management is that it is far easier for an inadequate CEO to keep his job than it is for an inadequate subordinate.... At too many companies, the boss shoots the arrow of managerial performance and then hastily paints the bullseye around the spot where it lands.
- Warren Buffett

I want to see you shoot the way you shout.
- Theodore Roosevelt, 1858 - 1919

You never know how people are going to wind up. I'm using my degrees in political science, electrical engineering, computer science, and psychology to teach gunfighting.
- Linden B. Sisk

"Kill It and Grill It". -Ted Nugent, still rocking

I understand the Constitution just fine. In the real world the courts look at each individual law to see if it conflicts with the Constitution. They don't say things like "all gun control is OK" or "all gun control is not OK".

The fact that you think that such a ludicrous "all or nothing" ruling would be seriously contemplated indicates that you are the one who doesn't understand the Constitution.

In addition to the two examples I already gave, here are two more issues where the court has allowed varying degrees of restriction on free speech: pornography, and the recent campaign finance law.





Any requirement that "someone be in the militia to have a gun right" is accompanied by a "right to join the militia".

They trying to compete with the FN P90 I think.

new Amish school designs have included dead bolt locks for when classes are in session. The newly built schools now have windows the sills of which are about 6 ft off the ground.
Still no guns have been proposed for the teachesr (since most AMish schools are taught by young unmarried Amish ladies who take mail -order courses through their county education offices on "teaching" methods). I dont suspect that theyd be much good at handling a fire arm.

Despite the terrible event of October 2006, the Amish parochial school system remains the MOST violence free school system nationwide.

Its bow hunting season and small game season starts tomorrow (Sat 27) in Pa. Its been a number of years but, in the last 2 years Ive bought a small game hunting license, with all these wild geese and small game, its a groaning table of meat out there.Im gonna go out and do a little rabbit hunting because well be having a nice drizzle and rabbits sit tight in bad weather so you can get real close before they take off. Dov season is now over, never caught the bug to hunt doves, dont really see the point in it. "grilling it" takes a lot of work for such a little piece of meat. Besides doves have personalities.

I love wild rabbit

bunnies have personallities too :-(

My wife wont eat wild rabbit. She calls em "bunnies" too.
I dont take many, just enough for a meal or two, cause if rabbits on the menu, I have to cook it, thats my punishment for killing the little darlings.
Look, if we didnt have foxes and hunters, wed be up to our keisters in rabbits.

I assure you the "Official Secrets Act" DOES include speech! I am STILL under the restrictions of that law, even though the last time I had any dealings with Classified materials was in 1983.

Halfback

Advocate:

You asked for an instance when the 1st Amendment has been excepted. I offered you three. You managed to shoot them all down.

Except your gunnery missed the mark.... all three instances WERE about speech. (That's why I included them) None of them were from dreamland, these were real cases and real results.

I have a sneaking suspicion that no matter what return you receive, from any of us, on any topic, you will either find fault or change the subject, particularly if what the other is saying does not agree with your predisposition on the topic.

I knew where you stood on many matters but I had thought you were a little more flexible in your thinking. I was, apparently, in error. My bad.

So, we have worked this topic, and sub topics to death and have arrived nowhere. I leave it at that.

Halfback

Dems are definitely trying to do away with the first amendment as well as the second. I mean, what the hell does anybody think this "Fairness Doctrine(TM)" is??

I mean, in the entire D.C. area, we have one AM station, WMAL, which features Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Mark levin, which you have to contrast to the Washington Post Newspaper, all TV channels other than Fox, CNN, PBS, most of the FM band, and God knows what all else, all of which libs control; but the one AM station is too much for them. They want to cut out half of all the conservative talk shows on WMAL and substitute the same leftist swill you hear on all the other media.

Raise your hands, those who close their eyes at night and dream of that real america, the school-free gun zone.

Half, you mention that the anti-porn laws provide an exception to 1A.

Sometime ago, there was an SC case that porn that offended community standards could be banned.

First, it would be impermissible to keep it from being shown, but the sponsors could be punished. Now, due to cable and other media regularly showing porn, the govt. can't say the community was offended.

What might be enforced are bans on porn accessible to children. Then, the immediacy of damage is the excuse.

The constitution is the supreme law, and it provides no exceptions to 1A.

Here is a law review article on prior restraint of speech.

http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/copyinj.htm

The first ammendment is not about pornography; it is primarily about political speech, which is precisely why the demokkkrat party has problems with it.

Advocate:

I said absolutely NOTHING about porn. Nothing! I don't believe I even alluded to it.

Halfback

Half, what's the difference? Your intellectual twin, Oral, referred to it.

I see. I had merely thought you were confused as to who said what. That might be considered excusable. To lump what I say together with what another says and call it all the same denotes either reading disability or mental laziness.

Either way, to your "considered and reasonable" deductive powers, it becomes more and more apparent that no matter what ANYONE says, if it does not coincide with your carefully constructed opinion, it MUST be in error and therefore only worthy of rejection.

Since you cannot change your mind, let's see if you can change the subject. (Not that I care either way.)

Halfback

Advocate proves his liberalism.
Thay r never happier than when thay r stretching n distorting the truth.
David

Like the 2A,
the 1A simply defends pre-existing rights, US v. CRUIKSHANK 92 US 542 (1875)
by denying government any jurisdiction to legislate in that area.
Hence if government ventures to control guns,
it does as an act of USURPATION,
with the same authority as a schoolyard bully to steal lunch money.



(Actually, the 2A is more absolute and all encompassing, than 1A,
inasmuch as it is a "universal negative" proposition
on the Aristotelian Square of Logical Opposition,
whereas the 1A is limited to the powers of Congress,
until the 14A, after the Civil War.)

Advocate is correct qua prior restraint.
David

Those were the DAYS, my friend;
we thought thay 'd NEVER end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose...