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THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 08:26 pm
Who will protect the kids, principals, parents, and fellow teachers from the armed teachers?

It should be considered that there are many millions of kids in schools, and the percentage endangered by guns is relatively miniscule. Based on this, arming teachers would be absurd.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 10:32 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
oralloy wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
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doubts the bill will reach the floor of the Democrat-controlled House.

ROFL


Gotta start somewhere. I remember the opposition to the concealed carry movement when we just started. But now law abiding citizens in 40 out of 50 states can get a concealed carry permit if they like.

We'll get those guns in the teachers' hands someday.

Yeah,
and the pilots too !
I 'm looking for the USSC to void all gun control,
on 2nd Amendment grounds
David


I don't know if they will void all gun control, but there is a case likely to come before the Supreme Court this coming year that looks like it will be giving the anti-gunners a lot of heartburn.

I'm glad Bush got a solid conservative like Alito in there to replace O'Conner. The timing in regards to this gun lawsuit is perfect.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 10:35 pm
Advocate wrote:
Who will protect the kids, principals, parents, and fellow teachers from the armed teachers?


The armed teachers are the good guys here.



Advocate wrote:
It should be considered that there are many millions of kids in schools, and the percentage endangered by guns is relatively miniscule. Based on this, arming teachers would be absurd.


It is never absurd to have proper firepower around in order to defend against attackers.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:47 am
oralloy wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Who will protect the kids, principals, parents, and fellow teachers from the armed teachers?


The armed teachers are the good guys here.



Advocate wrote:
It should be considered that there are many millions of kids in schools, and the percentage endangered by guns is relatively miniscule. Based on this, arming teachers would be absurd.


It is never absurd to have proper firepower around in order to defend against attackers.

Yes.
How ofen has a teacher assassinated a student ??
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 10:11 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Who will protect the kids, principals, parents, and fellow teachers from the armed teachers?


The armed teachers are the good guys here.



Advocate wrote:
It should be considered that there are many millions of kids in schools, and the percentage endangered by guns is relatively miniscule. Based on this, arming teachers would be absurd.


It is never absurd to have proper firepower around in order to defend against attackers.

Yes.
How ofen has a teacher assassinated a student ??


Maybe that is because the teachers are unarmed. How many times has a teacher been murdered by a student. The percentage of such students would be infinitely small.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 11:42 am
Advocate wrote:
Maybe that is because the teachers are unarmed.


Honestly, do you you really mean this?

If a teacher wanted to harm a student, how difficult would it be do get a gun and do so? It's a 5 minute process in Arizona for example. Or a quick trip home to get your gun.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 12:00 pm
Maporsche, I was being glib in that comment. My point is that, considering the millions of current students, the threat from armed students (or others) to them is miniscule, not justifying more guns in the equation.

You should know that Dave believes that everyone, even small children, ex-cons, and the mentally disturbed, should be packing.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 01:00 pm
The threat to kids might seem miniscule now. Consider however the two DC area snipers a couple of years back. Those two (Muhammed and Malvo) were products of one of the more infamous kkkalifornicatia mosques at which hate-america sermons are preached and the only really safe assumption in the picture is that they were testing the waters. What happens when 1000 or 2000 of those guys break bad on the same day? You really have any sort of a problem with teachers packing here and there in case 50 or 60 of the 2000 were to show up at schools??
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 01:03 pm
Here's a story about a school at which a dozen teachers packing heat might have made a really big difference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 02:52 pm
Gunga, I am in basic disagreement with you. Muhammed and Malvo were loners, and the two did not attack schools.

Beslan was invaded by a terrorists, and I doubt that armed teachers would have made any difference.

In any event, if things really got bad, we could then arm teachers. But based on present facts, arming them would be a mistake. For instance, a fired teacher could well open up with his weapon.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 02:57 pm
Advocate wrote:
Maporsche, I was being glib in that comment. My point is that, considering the millions of current students, the threat from armed students (or others) to them is miniscule, not justifying more guns in the equation.

You should know that Dave believes that everyone, even small children, ex-cons, and the mentally disturbed, should be packing.


I agree with you, the threat is small. I still wouldn't be against allowing trained teachers to carry guns into school as an extra layer of precaution. Of course proper safety measures should be taken.

I'm not going to be marching onto Washington to allow teachers to carry guns, but if it were up for a vote I'd vote for the right to carry.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 03:12 pm
Advocate wrote:
Maporsche, I was being glib in that comment.
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My point is that, considering the millions of current students,
the threat from armed students (or others) to them is miniscule,
not justifying more guns in the equation.

Candor moves me to agree
that the degree of danger is miniscule, the same as your chances
of getting a flat tire when u go out; ( I got a flat last nite ),
but if it happens, then u r faced with a very serious matter,
presumably wishing that u were properly prepared to handle it.
U look at it from a collectivist perspective.

The victims of V.Tech. looked at it from an INDIVIDUALIST perspective,
as u wud, if it happened to U.






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You should know that Dave believes that everyone,
even small children

Depends on how small.
I began at age 8; that was quite big enuf.

Children have been murder victims.
Being young shud not be a death sentence
and government shud not conspire to help the murderers
by disarming their future victims.






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ex-cons,

I believe that violent recidivists shud be banished
and removed from the North American Continent,
after which thay r welcome to arm themseves as thay choose.

However, if it is an ex-con like Leona Helmsley,
from whom we discern little danger,
it seems to me that we have no right to endanger her existence
by makiing her go around defensively naked, just taking her chances.
Presumably, all ex-cons who value their lives will arm themselves ANYWAY, regardless of any law.
Having said that, decreeing that all ex-cons
( including the guilty ones, and the ones who were erroneously convicted )
must be disarmed is the effective equivalent
of mandating that part of their sentences
is that for each day of the rest of their lives
thay must play Russian Roulette, just chancing that no predatory force will fall on them.

Is THAT = protection of the law ??
Is that constitutional ?




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and the mentally disturbed, should be packing.

In my opinion,
dangerous, violent mentally disturbed people shud not be considered human.
Thay shud be treated like cougars, or other dangerous animals.
In my opinion,
the ability to reason is an indispensable element to being human.

If thay have a history of intolerably dangerous violence,
thay shud be removed from the North American Continent;
( I analogize to a rabid dog ).

If thay r of unsound mind, but not hostile
thay shud be left to live their lives in peace.
If thay r free ( not confined to a hospital ) thay WILL do what thay please,
legal or not.

David
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 03:26 pm
Dave, I gotta laugh at your statement about the chances of being shot at in a school are about the same as getting a flat tire at night.

You're just being silly now......and I won't even go into the rest of your post as it goes down hill from there.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:29 pm
Advocate wrote:
But based on present facts, arming them would be a mistake.


It is never a mistake to have arms about in case defense is necessary.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 09:16 pm
oralloy wrote:
Advocate wrote:
But based on present facts, arming them would be a mistake.


It is never a mistake to have arms about in case defense is necessary.

The penalty for failure to have quick access
to vital emergency equipment, when u need it is death.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 10:35 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The penalty for failure to have quick access
to vital emergency equipment, when u need it is death.



Actually, there are a couple of other possibilities, i.e. things which could happen if your gun is kept in a non-functioning state according to idiot laws:

You could be:
  • Killed
  • Raped
  • kidnapped
  • Envenomated (rattlesnake, cobra etc.)
  • Eaten (wolves, bear etc.)
  • Put in concentration camp (out-of-control govt.)
  • ......


Lots of possibilities when you think about it.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 03:41 am
Yes.
One of the reasons that the Founding Fathers deprived government of authority
to control guns is so that the citizens cud keep the government in line.

Hitler was very proud of his gun control law,
which was enacted 2 nights before " Krystalnacht. "
Yeah, Hitler was a great believer in victim disarmament.

David
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 04:13 am
gungasnake wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The penalty for failure to have quick access
to vital emergency equipment, when u need it is death.



Actually, there are a couple of other possibilities, i.e. things which could happen if your gun is kept in a non-functioning state according to idiot laws:

You could be:
  • Killed
  • Raped
  • kidnapped
  • Envenomated (rattlesnake, cobra etc.)
  • Eaten (wolves, bear etc.)
  • Put in concentration camp (out-of-control govt.)
  • ......


Lots of possibilities when you think about it.


The guns the Democrats seem most intent on banning these days are those large revolvers that people carry for defense against bears.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:30 am
oralloy wrote:
gungasnake wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The penalty for failure to have quick access
to vital emergency equipment, when u need it is death.



Actually, there are a couple of other possibilities, i.e. things which could happen if your gun is kept in a non-functioning state according to idiot laws:

You could be:
  • Killed
  • Raped
  • kidnapped
  • Envenomated (rattlesnake, cobra etc.)
  • Eaten (wolves, bear etc.)
  • Put in concentration camp (out-of-control govt.)
  • ......


Lots of possibilities when you think about it.


The guns the Democrats seem most intent on banning these days
are those large revolvers that people carry for defense against bears.

The Bill of Rights, which thay swore to support and defend
makes no such distinctions, merely depriving government
of authority to legislate in the area of personal armament.

David


P.S.:
In my judgment,
such revolvers ( .50 caliber ) are not ideal anti-personnel weapons
( for defense from criminals ).

I have a .44 magnum Ruger SuperBlackhawk,
but I 'd not use that for home defense,
unless I loaded it with .44 special,
in that .44 magnum will certainly overpenetrate,
carrying away most of the muzzle energy, beyond the target.

That is too much power, and not helpful,
unless used against large, sturdy aggressive animals.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 08:31 am
Dave, I don't personally know a single person who died because he or she was not packing. Not packing a handgun doesn't endanger the average person. But having all packing would endanger all of us.

Thank goodness I was not allowed to pack a handgun when I was a kid. I would certainly have shot my older brother and Billy Campbell up the street.

The courts have overwhelmingly said that the second amendment doesn't preclude gun control, which still applies everywhere.
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