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THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 04:41 pm
farmerman wrote:
Animals became prey with the invention of team hunting and the atlatl.


We've discovered 400,000 year old javelins that were probably for hunting.



farmerman wrote:
Massive gun deaths are a fairly recent phenom,


I'd put the beginning of massive deaths at the invention of the bow and arrow 12,000 years ago.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 05:05 pm
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
ATLANTA -- The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found.

The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000. [/i]


Gun death rates are only significant for those who think it is somehow worse to be killed with a gun than it is to be killed with a knife or a bomb.

Personally, I think people are just as dead if they are killed with a knife or a bomb.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 05:20 pm
wouldn't a 55/million equate out to 5.5/100,000?

I think my math is right there...
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 05:30 pm
McGentrix wrote:
wouldn't a 55/million equate out to 5.5/100,000?

I think my math is right there...


That was for the 12 months ending November 28, 2005. The previous figures were for 1994.

Rather than try to find fault with the numbers, you should be looking at the fact that the knifings were significantly less than by gun.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:21 pm
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
ATLANTA -- The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found.

The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000. [/i]


Gun death rates are only significant for those who think it is somehow worse to be killed with a gun than it is to be killed with a knife or a bomb.

Personally, I think people are just as dead if they are killed with a knife or a bomb.


Where do you dig up these imaginary facts?


Nothing imaginary about it. Gun death rates are only significant to people who for some reason think a gun death is worse than a non-gun death.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:23 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Rather than try to find fault with the numbers, you should be looking at the fact that the knifings were significantly less than by gun.


What is the point of looking at insignificant trivia?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:25 pm
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
ATLANTA -- The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found.

The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000. [/i]


Gun death rates are only significant for those who think it is somehow worse to be killed with a gun than it is to be killed with a knife or a bomb.

Personally, I think people are just as dead if they are killed with a knife or a bomb.


Where do you dig up these imaginary facts?




Nothing imaginary about it. Gun death rates are only significant to people who for some reason think a gun death is worse than a non-gun death.


Do I have to write in huge, coloured, bold fonts?

The degree of death is of absolutely no significance here. We are talking about the NUMBERS of deaths. Guns are used for this purposes much, much, much, much more than knifes are used.

I can't believe that you are unable to comprehend. I will, therefore, assume that you do not want to comprehend.

I am waiting for the day that you make a point based on fact rather than emotion and your passion for guns.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:26 pm
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Rather than try to find fault with the numbers, you should be looking at the fact that the knifings were significantly less than by gun.



What is the point of looking at insignificant trivia?


What you seem to be saying here is that you cannot provide anything of substance so you will just post your usual non answer. Rolling Eyes
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:33 pm
This one's for you two, Intrepid and Oralloy...


Love soft as an easy chair
Love fresh as the morning air
One love that is shared by two
I have found with you

Like a rose under the april snow
I was always certain love would grow
Love ageless and evergreen
Seldom seen by two

You and I will make each night a first
Every day a beginning
Spirits rise and their dance is unrehearsed
They warm and excite us, cause we have the brightest love

Two lives that shine as one
Morning glory and midnight sun
Time weve learned to sail above
Time wont change the meaning of one love
Ageless and ever evergreen
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:42 pm
Did you get that from Lash?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:54 pm
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
ATLANTA -- The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found.

The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000. [/i]


Gun death rates are only significant for those who think it is somehow worse to be killed with a gun than it is to be killed with a knife or a bomb.

Personally, I think people are just as dead if they are killed with a knife or a bomb.


Where do you dig up these imaginary facts?




Nothing imaginary about it. Gun death rates are only significant to people who for some reason think a gun death is worse than a non-gun death.


Do I have to write in huge, coloured, bold fonts?


No.



Intrepid wrote:
We are talking about the NUMBERS of deaths.


Not really. All you are talking about is the method of death.



Intrepid wrote:
Guns are used for this purposes much, much, much, much more than knifes are used.


I don't find discussions about "method of death" to be particularly relevant.



Intrepid wrote:
I can't believe that you are unable to comprehend. I will, therefore, assume that you do not want to comprehend.


I comprehend just fine. It is irrelevant whether someone is killed with or without a gun.



Intrepid wrote:
I am waiting for the day that you make a point based on fact rather than emotion and your passion for guns.


Fact: The presence or absence of firearms has very little to do with homicide rates in a country.

Fact: Even if the presence or absence of firearms did make a difference, we'd still have the right to have them.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 07:54 pm
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Rather than try to find fault with the numbers, you should be looking at the fact that the knifings were significantly less than by gun.



What is the point of looking at insignificant trivia?


What you seem to be saying here is that you cannot provide anything of substance so you will just post your usual non answer. Rolling Eyes


No, I was just pointing out that your trivia about method of death has little relevance.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 08:00 pm
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Rather than try to find fault with the numbers, you should be looking at the fact that the knifings were significantly less than by gun.



What is the point of looking at insignificant trivia?


What you seem to be saying here is that you cannot provide anything of substance so you will just post your usual non answer. Rolling Eyes


No, I was just pointing out that your trivia about method of death has little relevance.


One would think that when the discussion is about guns, the fact that so many deaths occuring by guns would be significant.

It seems that I am the only one to see it this way.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 08:44 pm
No, not exactly. Oralloy is part of a small minority that doesn't see the numbers as significant.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 08:49 pm
oralloy wrote:

Fact: The presence or absence of firearms has very little to do with homicide rates in a country.

Fact: Even if the presence or absence of firearms did make a difference, we'd still have the right to have them.


Are you negating one fact with another fact?

You seem to be saying that you are right no matter what the facts. Then, you are saying that if you are wrong, it doesn't matter.

This discussion, is obviously, a waste of time.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 09:02 pm
Now you're gettin' it....
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 09:06 pm
snood wrote:
No, not exactly. Oralloy is part of a small minority that doesn't see the numbers as significant.


No, everyone with the capability of comprehending statistics sees those numbers as insignificant.

I doubt such people are the minority.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 09:06 pm
Maybe we should take a poll.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 09:09 pm
Intrepid wrote:
oralloy wrote:

Fact: The presence or absence of firearms has very little to do with homicide rates in a country.

Fact: Even if the presence or absence of firearms did make a difference, we'd still have the right to have them.


Are you negating one fact with another fact?


No.



Intrepid wrote:
You seem to be saying that you are right no matter what the facts.


No. I am saying I am right because of the facts.



Intrepid wrote:
Then, you are saying that if you are wrong, it doesn't matter.


Our right to have guns trumps any effort to save lives.



Intrepid wrote:
This discussion, is obviously, a waste of time.


You should accept the fact that we Americans choose to remain a free people.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Oct, 2006 09:14 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Maybe we should take a poll.


To see if the majority shares your inability to focus on relevant stats?
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