Frank Apisa wrote:Scrat wrote:My sig is a call to liberals to bring up the level of their side of the debate--to define their terms before tossing them around, to come armed with facts and be ready to acknowledge facts even if they mean things these liberals don't wish to learn.
Your signature, Scrat, is everything you were railing about earlier.
It is an afront to logic and truth.
LOL. Read some of Sowell's works, then get back to me. (I'm not going to waste time copying and pasting his examples. His books are intelligently written and packed with hundreds of pages of footnotes supporting his statements.
Real veterans understand the courage it takes our 43rd CIC to actually combat terrorism and tyranny while simultaneously promoting our American ideals and freedoms. Real veterans also understand who Kerry is because he showed us his immoral colors in Nicaragua. By the way, thankfully, his side lost and Nicaragua is now a vibrant democracy. Just as it took courage then, it takes courage now. Kerry's instincts were wrong then and are still wrong for America.
The issues in America are found amongst our public schools, our national defense, tax relief, Social Security and Medicare, healthcare, and our economy. I want you to be honest with yourself and the all the facts while you determine which of these two, the President George W. Bush, or his opponent, Sen. John Kerry, has actually accomplished and made progress on these issues.
The principals we strive to fight against in America are found amongst abortions or suicides, crime or smut, and lack of faith; read Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Now I ask you; are all these deaths and the misery associated with abortions or suicides necessary? Do we really need to allow for so much crime and smut and all of its pain and consequences? Do we have such little faith that we blame God for our poverty of morals? When choosing a leader to fight against these principalities, choose one well armed to take the fight to the enemy. Do you know in your heart were Sen. John Kerry stands and defends our collective morals? He and his party are aligned with the devil! They represent evil forces which are tearing apart our citizen's basic rights of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
I encourage you to move away from gratifications towards responsibility and provide this President, George W. Bush, with your great vote.
I did read this same grouping of words somewhere else just a few minutes ago.
My comment then had to do with the fact that Bush is a moron -- and voting for a moron really doesn't seem like good advice.
I guess I will make that same comment here.
Bush is a moron. Vote for someone else.
Anyone else!
Even if they are in league with the devil Frank? It seems that the nonsense never stops in these debates...
by golly I just may have been convinced by the above call to rationality, thanks Dennis.
Dennis that's the best argument for anyone but Bush that I've come across.
dennis
Lordy,lordy a vote for Bush will get you to heaven. For you unbelievers it's fire and brimstone.
dennis
You and Scrat should get along great. Welcome to a2k - I think.
quote, ".........evil forces which are of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
Let me have a crack at trying to decipher the above statement: ".....evil force." Let's see. This one is quite easy. GWBush is responsible for the killing of over 10,000 (Iraqi) innocent men, women and children. If that isn't evil, I really don't understand the definition. ".... tearing apart our citizen's basic rights of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." I think the Patriot Act comes the closest to this definition. It's based on the right to negate our Constitutional rights to empower this government to treat Arab Americans and others (mostly of Arab decent) to unfair arrest and questioning without any charge of criminal acts. That's not only unconstitutional, but bigoted and discriminatory against one group of Americans. THAT IS WRONG! This administration is now in the process of seeking a amendment to our Constitution that seeks to discriminate against gay Americans by taking away equal protections and rights under the laws by denying them equal benefits of marriage by banning gay marriage. This again is bigoted and discriminatoryagainst one group of Americans.
dennis wrote:Real veterans understand the courage it takes our 43rd CIC to actually combat terrorism and tyranny while simultaneously promoting our American ideals and freedoms. Real veterans also understand who Kerry is because he showed us his immoral colors in Nicaragua. By the way, thankfully, his side lost and Nicaragua is now a vibrant democracy. Just as it took courage then, it takes courage now. Kerry's instincts were wrong then and are still wrong for America.
The issues in America are found amongst our public schools, our national defense, tax relief, Social Security and Medicare, healthcare, and our economy. I want you to be honest with yourself and the all the facts while you determine which of these two, the President George W. Bush, or his opponent, Sen. John Kerry, has actually accomplished and made progress on these issues.
The principals we strive to fight against in America are found amongst abortions or suicides, crime or smut, and lack of faith; read Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Now I ask you; are all these deaths and the misery associated with abortions or suicides necessary? Do we really need to allow for so much crime and smut and all of its pain and consequences? Do we have such little faith that we blame God for our poverty of morals? When choosing a leader to fight against these principalities, choose one well armed to take the fight to the enemy. Do you know in your heart were Sen. John Kerry stands and defends our collective morals? He and his party are aligned with the devil! They represent evil forces which are tearing apart our citizen's basic rights of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
I encourage you to move away from gratifications towards responsibility and provide this President, George W. Bush, with your great vote.
Is it not remarkable how quickly some people become tiresome.
s-l-o-w-l-y he moved --- away from GRATIF I C A T I O N S towards >>>>> [size=7]to be continued[/size]
from someone who has bashed bush and america on several occasions, i'd like to put in my 2 cents (worth @ one cent and 3/4).
It isn't americans that i hate. It IS the policies of america. And bush, with his gang of thugs, is the icon for those policies.
although i would/could/should never sanction the extremes some people have gone to in their hatred of american policies, i can fathom it.
Even despotic countries that america supports have had leaders say that america needs to reflect on what it is doing worldwide.
Laughable really, coming from some of them.
If america did change it's ways, these countries too would lose favor.
One case in point...Jordan.
Welcome, fellow handsome Canadian.
You'll find that many of the posters here are quite aware that the Bush administration is held in contempt by the great majority of the world outside of the US as well as by themselves. But also, you'll see a surprising number who either do not grasp this, or who do but then conclude that the world must surely be crazy. It is very interesting.
edgarblythe wrote:dennis
You and Scrat should get along great. Welcome to a2k - I think.
My, but aren't you the matchmaker.
Please do both Dennis and me the courtesy of simply holding us each to account for our own words rather than attempting a childish insult by linking two people who don't know each other from Adam and clearly have very different points of view. (It's certainly clear to me, and should be to anyone who actually reads what I've written. Oh, and understands it.)
"Oh, and understands it." You forget that I am a liberal, one so hysterical with hatred I am incapable of understanding your august words.
edgarblythe wrote:"Oh, and understands it." You forget that I am a liberal, one so hysterical with hatred I am incapable of understanding your august words.
Not "incapable of" but certainly not one who has shown any predisposition towards even attempting to acknowledge and understand facts that call your personal beliefs into question. No, I have not forgotten that you are a liberal, nor of what stripe.
I have interacted with people who propose those same arguments as yours for so many years, scrat, that I find it redundant to pursue the matter further. You all produce variations of the same arguments, quibbling only over new details. The facts have been stated by both sides over and over until only an idiot could fail to have encountered the various theories. I rejected your philosophy long before I encountered these posts on a2k, not through ignorance of your positions, as you would have it, but because I have a moral compass and a mind that sees beyond your arguments. I do not elaborate beyond that because, as already noted, you have had ample examples of what I believe in and have rejected it already. Why waste more words?
EB - I don't dismiss you for rejecting my "philosophy", I dismiss you for rejecting facts, logic, reality. I have meaningful exchanges with intelligent individuals every day on these threads, people who acknowledge the same facts as I, but reach a different conclusion. You, on the other hand, reject the facts when they threaten a conclusion you've already reached. That's what I see as your problem. Of course, your effort to paint my position as something it is not is just par for the course with folks like you.
But do have a nice day!
Name a fact I have reject as opposed to an opinion.
edgarblythe wrote:Name a fact I have reject as opposed to an opinion.
Your claim that the 2000 Election was "stolen" stands in complete opposition to the available facts. Not just a few of them, mind you;
all of them.
- Florida election law doesn't support your belief.
- The US Supreme Court disagreed with you.
- Every recount performed proves you wrong.
Your contention that the election was "stolen" is a fantasy based on a willful pretense that existing facts either do not exist or do not mean what they clearly mean.
So, the fact that you have rejected is that GW Bush won the 2000 Presidential election.
Hope this helps.
