Define "Evil"...

RexRed wrote:

We are set apart from this world and then sent back to save it.

"We", who?

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echi wrote:

RexRed wrote:
We are set apart from this world and then sent back to save it.

"We", who?

Those who answer God's call are called from this world and then sent back to it as apostles, prophets, teachers, evangelists and pastors.

Eph 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Comment:
Why aren't "priests" part of that list?

Answer: Christians don't need a priest to talk to God...

Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man/woman.

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Doktor S wrote:

RexRed wrote:

I ...would rather disassociate myself from the world as I see it.

That, clinicly speaking, is an admission of insanity.

Do you not dispute the Dok's assertion?

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echi wrote:

Doktor S wrote:
RexRed wrote:

I ...would rather disassociate myself from the world as I see it.

That, clinicly speaking, is an admission of insanity.

Do you not dispute the Dok's assertion?

It is actually a good question.

On the surface it seems like detachment.

It is...

Why would someone become detached from this world?

Science is part of this world and science has revealed the inner workings of the world/universe so wonderfully.

But, science is broken.

Science is broken because of the wall of science. Science cannot venture far beyond this wall because then science would become merely speculation. (though half of it is anyway)

Science is limited because of it's own wall, It has a finite amount of information.

So science is blind to the unknown or unknowable.

So to cling wholly to a vessel that is not only limited but broken with cracks. To try to fill this vessel when there is a finite amount of information that can be observed. And the limited information only pours out of the cracks in the vessel.

Yet God has an infinite amount of information. So there is no need to use a broken man made ideology to hold information when there is a spiritual fountain of unlimited information.

Lack of knowledge, that is science... Only by connecting ourselves to the fountain of God can we drink the living waters.

Jer 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Ho 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge [science = lack of knowledge]: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Comment:
They didn't lack knowledge of science, science lacked knowledge of God.

Science has locked the world in it's grip for godless generations.

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Science is broken because of the wall of science. Science cannot venture far beyond this wall because then science would become merely speculation.

How can you accept something as true if it is not supported by reason?

How do you qualify something as "true"?

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echi wrote:

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Science is broken because of the wall of science. Science cannot venture far beyond this wall because then science would become merely speculation.

How can you accept something as true if it is not supported by reason?

How do you qualify something as "true"?

God within our psyche has given us another sense other than our five senses.

We were not born with this sense in our first physical birth but we were given this sense when we became born spiritually.

This sixth sense is unlike any of the other five senses that we have observed and calculated with all of our lives.

There are both natural and spiritual environments or landscapes.

Since the spiritual sense is not born of the natural, it has it's own "nature".

Thus for science to conclude there is no spiritual nature based upon only the natural landscape is prejudiciously predictable. It is a law of the spirit, that the spirit is discerned only by spirit.

2Pe 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Comment:
Metals corrupt, the earth and the body, they decay but the new nature is quickened not decaying.

1Pe 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Comment:
This verse shows the TWO natures
Death in the flesh or quickened by the spirit.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

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RexRed,

This "spiritual sense" to which you refer, could it be accurately described as some kind of internal reasoning? Or is it more associated with a certain feeling that enables you to recognize truth?

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echi wrote:

RexRed,

This "spiritual sense" to which you refer, could it be accurately described as some kind of internal reasoning? Or is it more associated with a certain feeling that enables you to recognize truth?

It is an entirely different source and kind of information that is not derived from the five senses. The two reasonings are at logger heads.

We receive both knowledge and wisdom through this spiritual sense.

This knowledge and wisdom is contrary to what science leads us to believe.

Mind over matter not matter over mind.

Php 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

1Co 12:8
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

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RexRed wrote:

We receive both knowledge and wisdom through this spiritual sense.

This knowledge and wisdom is contrary to what science leads us to believe.

Science utilizes reason. If this spiritual sense is contrary to science, does that mean it is contrary to reason?

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echi wrote:

RexRed wrote:
We receive both knowledge and wisdom through this spiritual sense.

This knowledge and wisdom is contrary to what science leads us to believe.

Science utilizes reason. If this spiritual sense is contrary to science, does that mean it is contrary to reason?

No, science leads to it's own reason that is contrary to spiritual reason.

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Here is an example:

For science, to believe that an "invisible God" is going to put physical food on your table is foolishness.

But that is the truth. The Greeks strived after wisdom. For them to attempt to believe that "something invisible" could create the visible world was a stumbling block to their minds.

How can we get something from nothing?

Sometimes reason is not the true answer.

Php 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

1Co 1:22
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

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RexRed wrote:

For science, to believe that an "invisible God" is going to put physical food on your table is foolishness.

But that is the truth.

But how do you know?

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The question is, what makes the bible an infallible source of knowledge for Rex?
The answer, obviously, is that the bible is divinely inspired....

He knows this because it says so in the bible.

Don't read this more than once, you may get dizzy.

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Doktor S wrote:

The question is, what makes the bible an infallible source of knowledge for Rex?
The answer, obviously, is that the bible is divinely inspired....

He knows this because it says so in the bible.

Don't read this more than once, you may get dizzy.

Rex is also fond of 'spiritual feelings' and 'a sixth sense' as supporting evidence for his belief.

This allows him to interpret the infallible word of the bible any way he likes.

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rosborne979 wrote:

Doktor S wrote:
The question is, what makes the bible an infallible source of knowledge for Rex?
The answer, obviously, is that the bible is divinely inspired....

He knows this because it says so in the bible.

Don't read this more than once, you may get dizzy.

Rex is also fond of 'spiritual feelings' and 'a sixth sense' as supporting evidence for his belief.

This allows him to interpret the infallible word of the bible any way he likes.

The first part is correct Ros, divine knowledge and wisdom do come with a feeling, that it was sent from God. Any blessing from God comes with the earmark of God.

Yet it takes spiritual attentive eyes to see it.

Also, one should not interpret the Bible at all. One should let the Bible interpret itself.

How is this done? By letting the wealth of clear verses define the unclear and not letting a few unclear difficult vague scriptures cause us to toss out a wealth of clear verses.

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RexRed wrote:

. . . divine knowledge and wisdom do come with a feeling, that it was sent from God. Any blessing from God comes with the earmark of God.

Yet it takes spiritual attentive eyes to see it.

What about the first time you saw it? How did you know it was from God if you had never seen it before?

How do you know you're not crazy?

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Doktor S wrote:

The question is, what makes the bible an infallible source of knowledge for Rex?
The answer, obviously, is that the bible is divinely inspired....

He knows this because it says so in the bible.

Don't read this more than once, you may get dizzy.

So dok, where did the satanic bible originate from?

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Anton Szandor LaVey became one of the most well-known figures of the occult during the 60s and 70s. In 1966, LaVey created the First Church of Satan and published a book called The Satanic Bible in 1968.

There are other things which are pretty dry unassailable facts about the Satanic Bible and Satanism in general that are easily accessible on the internet.

One thing I've noticed about ole Doc though, is that even when you investigate Satanism and still find it to be wacky, if he knows you feel that way he says you just don't know anything at all about Satanism. Not "You understand it, and you disagree with it or think its not good", but "You know nothing about it, and your criticisms have no validity".

All in all, a neat little dodge about a wacky and dangerous "religion".

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Satan has never written a book...

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Job 31:35
Oh that one would hear me! behold, my desire is, that the Almighty would answer me, and that mine adversary had written a book.

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