echi
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 10:25 pm
Of course, God has an ego. Who would ask such a dumb question? God is a person. God is an object. An eye cannot look at itself.
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 05:30 am
From the book Your Immortal Reality: How to Break the Cycle of Birth and Death by Gary Renard

Quote:
"The voice of the Holy Spirit does not command, because it is incapable of arrogance. It does not demand, because it does not seek control. It does not overcome, because it does not attack. It merely reminds. It is compelling only because of what it reminds you of."


So, is God arrogant?

Does God seek to control us?

Does God attack us?

Does God kill us?

Mind you, I'm speaking of the God found in the Bible, the Jewish and Christian God.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 11:12 am
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_showmegod.html

God made a place for us to live...
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 01:14 pm
RexRed wrote:


from your source wrote:
Among all the ancient peoples, only the Hebrews got their cosmology right. While the rest of the world believed in a magical, eternal universe that gave birth to the gods, only they believed in an eternal, transcendent God who gave the universe its beginning.


Lets see, on the third day God created dry land and plants.

On the fourth day God created the sun.

So the plants were made before the sun and seasons.

O ya, the Hebrews hit the nail on the head when it came to creation. Rolling Eyes
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 02:09 pm
I told you you cant define evil
like you cant define veil
or live
or vile
or ilve

specially ilve
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 02:49 pm
xingu wrote:
. . . On the fourth day God created the sun.. . .
Where did you get that idea?
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 05:38 pm
neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
. . . On the fourth day God created the sun.. . .
Where did you get that idea?


Have you ever heard of the Bible?

Quote:
1:9
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.

1:10
And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

1:13
And the evening and the morning were the third day
.


1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

1:15
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.

1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

1:18
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.

1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 06:24 pm
xingu wrote:
neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
. . . On the fourth day God created the sun.. . .
Where did you get that idea?


Have you ever heard of the Bible?

Quote:
1:9
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.

1:10
And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

1:13
And the evening and the morning were the third day
.


1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

1:15
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.

1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

1:18
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.

1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
In other words, you missed Genesis 1:3: "Let light come to be."

Why am I not surprised?

Just because the sun and moon were not visible, does not mean they did not exist.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 07:18 pm
If the sun and the moon was made on the fourth day where did the light of the first day come from? Don't forget the stars were made after the plants. I guess that makes sense, right?
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 08:13 pm
RexRed wrote:


Hey ya, Rex.

I didn't find anything about God having/not having an ego on the site you posted. (Okay... I didn't really look too hard.)

This little Q&A caught my eye, though.

Quote:
But isn't religion just a cultural phenomenon, a form of superstition?
For many it is. But perhaps the ultimate superstition is to believe that this physical universe is imbued with mystical powers that enable it to bring itself into existence and then to finetune itself.


I like the part about the universe fine-tuning itself. Is that what theists/religionists believe? That the universe is (has been) fine-tuned?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 10:55 am
xingu wrote:
RexRed wrote:


from your source wrote:
Among all the ancient peoples, only the Hebrews got their cosmology right. While the rest of the world believed in a magical, eternal universe that gave birth to the gods, only they believed in an eternal, transcendent God who gave the universe its beginning.


Lets see, on the third day God created dry land and plants.

On the fourth day God created the sun.

So the plants were made before the sun and seasons.

O ya, the Hebrews hit the nail on the head when it came to creation. Rolling Eyes


You need to read Genesis again and stop quoting theists from memory...

It says on the third day God "made" NOT "created".

You along with many theists are putting words in God's mouth... You expect people to understand the meaning of your own words, how about if you attempt to let God's words have their own intended meaning?

When it says God MADE he made when it says God CREATED God created. But it does not mean that when God says he made that he created.....

God said LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH...

God didn't just create the trees and grass seeds etc...

He made and formed them over time...

He also "created" the matter (earth) and energy (heavens) that all things are initially made of.

Why "create" trees if you have already created the matter that they are comprised of?

Just let the earth bring forth...

This takes time...

The only thing "created" in Eden was God's image (spirit) in humans.

Even the human body and soul (breath life) were CREATED long before Eden.

God did not just poof and humans were alive.

God breathed into our nostrils the breath of life.

This takes time...

This breathing took millions of years while God formed the human body from the dust of the ground.

FORGET THE SEVEN DAYS and Genesis reads like a Darwinian essay.

The seven days are only from man's perspective.

This (Eden) was when man/woman received a CREATED "spirit" from God and were able to perceive calenders/time, the stars/navigation and agriculture and ultimately a written language, good/evil etc...

Genesis is written from a human perspective. But from God's perspective time was reckoned long before Genesis... Not in days but billions of years.

So from man's perspective the earth was created in seven days but from God's perspective it took time that we cannot even as humans conceive of.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 03:32 pm
echi wrote:
RexRed wrote:


Hey ya, Rex.

I didn't find anything about God having/not having an ego on the site you posted. (Okay... I didn't really look too hard.)

This little Q&A caught my eye, though.

Quote:
But isn't religion just a cultural phenomenon, a form of superstition?
For many it is. But perhaps the ultimate superstition is to believe that this physical universe is imbued with mystical powers that enable it to bring itself into existence and then to finetune itself.


I like the part about the universe fine-tuning itself. Is that what theists/religionists believe? That the universe is (has been) fine-tuned?


Theology is the study of God...

The study of God is like the Ford trying to study Henry...

God has had his hand in nature.

Every time God oversteps a law then evil forces that be are then able to overstep these same laws.

The devil causes a physical/metaphysical flood and the result is death that sweeps the world over. The true God opens the heavens and pours out blessings instead of death...

God sends his son and there is life eternal, the devils sends the son of perdition (antichrist) and there is wrath...
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 04:00 pm
RexRed,

If you are not a theist, then by what means have you gained knowledge of your God (who may or may not have an ego)?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 04:34 pm
echi wrote:
RexRed,

If you are not a theist, then by what means have you gained knowledge of your God (who may or may not have an ego)?


I am more along the lines of Biblical REsearch...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 04:57 pm
1Co 13:4
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

Comment:
God has no ego but God is self aware.
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 05:54 pm
Isn't your Biblical research guided by your faith?

Is it possible for you to reach an understanding that would force you to adjust your religious convictions?


Also, how can one be self-aware and not have an ego? What, in all Creation, is not God?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 07:31 pm
echi wrote:
Isn't your Biblical research guided by your faith?

Is it possible for you to reach an understanding that would force you to adjust your religious convictions?


Also, how can one be self-aware and not have an ego? What, in all Creation, is not God?

Does true love have an ego? Is true love self aware?

The word (Bible) is a scientific part of creation. Thus it must be treated with science and not faith.

Faith is the product of treating the word scientifically. Fear is the product of treating the word with faith and not reason.

2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman [researcher] that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2Pe 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2006 11:03 pm
RexRed wrote:
echi wrote:
Also, how can one be self-aware and not have an ego? What, in all Creation, is not God?


Does true love have an ego? Is true love self aware?



Love is not a self, and so it has no ego. "Self" is a defined, divided part. The self cannot be without the ego because the source of the self is the ego.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 01:19 am
echi wrote:
RexRed wrote:
echi wrote:
Also, how can one be self-aware and not have an ego? What, in all Creation, is not God?


Does true love have an ego? Is true love self aware?



Love is not a self, and so it has no ego. "Self" is a defined, divided part. The self cannot be without the ego because the source of the self is the ego.


Love is the end of ego. Love is selfless. Love is without hypocrisy.
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echi
 
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Reply Thu 12 Oct, 2006 07:06 am
I agree, Rex. But love is not self-aware.
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