Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread III

That's a cheap shot even for you!

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, since I'm neither from Scandinavia nor from England ...

Every rule has an exception, Walter.

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I take your nomination for being a troll as a highly regarded compliment, Tico.

(Though I could imagine as well that you only use the term 'troll' as killer phrase ...)

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Foxfyre wrote:

okie wrote:
Good advice. I will try to be more disciplined, but I admit my weakness. I know it isn't good for the trolls either, because the park rangers in Yellowstone had to make us quit giving the bears potato chips. They became spoiled and just made a habit of living out of the trash dumpsters. Thats probably what could happen here!

But I still can't resist pointing out again we've accomplished much of cicerone's 4 points: No WMD programs in Iraq, Hussein is gone, and there have been democratic elections in Iraq. Not bad so far.

When temptation hits--like when they leave an opening big enough to drive a freight train through--I find it helpful to recite several times: "I will not feed the trolls or argue with idiots or engage in exercises in futility". I have not yet achieved 100% success but I am better.

Mr Bush (the subject of the thread) gives us plenty of opportunity to comment, sadly.

Idiots? Surely these are the people who remain apologists for him, even after he has let his office and his country down in such a comprehensive way.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, Who's talking about whether our military is "voluntary" or not? It's about Bush as commander in chief, and his power to use them any way he pleases whether congress agrees or not.

Actually,he DOES have that authority.
I suggest you actually read the War Powers Act,and see what authority the President actually has.

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I do not feel that President Bush has let our country down. I also do not feel I am an idiot. I do not apologize for anything our President has or hasn't done. I agree with what our country did. I feel it was about time someone did something. The Constitution gives our President authority and it gives Congress authority also. Heck even the UN gave authority (useless it turns out, but it was there).

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McTag wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
okie wrote:
Good advice. I will try to be more disciplined, but I admit my weakness. I know it isn't good for the trolls either, because the park rangers in Yellowstone had to make us quit giving the bears potato chips. They became spoiled and just made a habit of living out of the trash dumpsters. Thats probably what could happen here!

But I still can't resist pointing out again we've accomplished much of cicerone's 4 points: No WMD programs in Iraq, Hussein is gone, and there have been democratic elections in Iraq. Not bad so far.

When temptation hits--like when they leave an opening big enough to drive a freight train through--I find it helpful to recite several times: "I will not feed the trolls or argue with idiots or engage in exercises in futility". I have not yet achieved 100% success but I am better.

Mr Bush (the subject of the thread) gives us plenty of opportunity to comment, sadly.

Idiots? Surely these are the people who remain apologists for him, even after he has let his office and his country down in such a comprehensive way.

No not idiots. In my opinion. . .

Many of us hoped that he would be a Reagan Conservative with the toughness and vision and understanding of modern Conservatism that would provide the people a sense of security that the country is on the right track.

And yes, the President has let us down and has disappointed some of us on some issues and we have not withheld our criticism when he has. And he has not disappointed us on some issues and has been deserving of having that acknowledged.

Most Conservatives will not hatefully damn a man because he is not perfect. That is one subtle but I think accurately noted distinction between most modern Conservatives and many modern Liberals.

Then too, it is difficult to know how successful even Reagan would have been dealing with the current crop of liberals in both politics and the media. Both are more maliciously intellectually dishonest and self serving than those of the 80's and more willing to sabotage the short term good of the country to achieve power and further their own agenda.

And I think it is only the idiots who are incapable of seeing that.

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tryingtohelp wrote:

I do not feel that President Bush has let our country down. I also do not feel I am an idiot. I do not apologize for anything our President has or hasn't done. I agree with what our country did. I feel it was about time someone did something. The Constitution gives our President authority and it gives Congress authority also. Heck even the UN gave authority (useless it turns out, but it was there).

Well I've had my ups and downs with the President on fiscal accountability on some of his programs and when he didn't even threaten to veto nor spoke out against some of the more egregious pork. His Harriet Miers pick for the Supreme Court was unfortunate though he probably knew the lady would have been okay. I have been almost 100% opposed to his view of immigration policy. I think he may have caved in too much to political correctness pressure from the Left in how to conduct the war. I wish he could communicate like Reagan or his father or Clinton could.

But on the motives and purpose for going to war? No. I don't fault him for that at all. Was it done legally and for the reasons stated? Yes, it was.

Has the mission changed? Yes. And the reasons for being there are just as valid as the reasons for going in the first place.

Do I think that Iraq and the USA and perhaps the entire free world will suffer serious harm if we lose in Iraq? Yes I do.

Do I think most Liberals want us to lose? Yes I do.

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tryingtohelp wrote:

I do not feel that President Bush has let our country down. I also do not feel I am an idiot. I do not apologize for anything our President has or hasn't done. I agree with what our country did. I feel it was about time someone did something. The Constitution gives our President authority and it gives Congress authority also. Heck even the UN gave authority (useless it turns out, but it was there).

You aren't an idiot. You sound like a decent American that thinks straight. Do not apologize for Bush. Don't let the Bush hater dittoheads bother you here on A2K.

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Foxfyre wrote:

tryingtohelp wrote:
I do not feel that President Bush has let our country down. I also do not feel I am an idiot. I do not apologize for anything our President has or hasn't done. I agree with what our country did. I feel it was about time someone did something. The Constitution gives our President authority and it gives Congress authority also. Heck even the UN gave authority (useless it turns out, but it was there).

Well I've had my ups and downs with the President on fiscal accountability on some of his programs and when he didn't even threaten to veto nor spoke out against some of the more egregious pork. His Harriet Miers pick for the Supreme Court was unfortunate though he probably knew the lady would have been okay. I have been almost 100% opposed to his view of immigration policy. I think he may have caved in too much to political correctness pressure from the Left in how to conduct the war. I wish he could communicate like Reagan or his father or Clinton could.

But on the motives and purpose for going to war? No. I don't fault him for that at all. Was it done legally and for the reasons stated? Yes, it was.

Has the mission changed? Yes. And the reasons for being there are just as valid as the reasons for going in the first place.

Do I think that Iraq and the USA and perhaps the entire free world will suffer serious harm if we lose in Iraq? Yes I do.

Do I think most Liberals want us to lose? Yes I do.

I have to agree that he is not the best communicator, although he seems to be getting better. Cute cartoon McGentrix.

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okie wrote:

tryingtohelp wrote:
I do not feel that President Bush has let our country down. I also do not feel I am an idiot. I do not apologize for anything our President has or hasn't done. I agree with what our country did. I feel it was about time someone did something. The Constitution gives our President authority and it gives Congress authority also. Heck even the UN gave authority (useless it turns out, but it was there).

You aren't an idiot. You sound like a decent American that thinks straight. Do not apologize for Bush. Don't let the Bush hater dittoheads bother you here on A2K.

Thank you. I try to keep up with our country and what decisions are made. We are not told everything and rightfully so. I do have a copy of our constitution and I actually read it.

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The press and the left are reaching new lows for this country. Some are totally embarrassing themselves by calling the president Mr. Bush, and treating him like dirt. Democrats have reached a new low of flip flops, pretending that Bush was the only man that concocted intelligence and foreign policy over the last 15 years, and simply made up this war totally on his own. Nobody in Congress voted for the authority, absolutely nobody. What a collection of spineless hypocrits. If they had lived during the Civil War, they would have hung the poor homely and stupid Abe Lincoln, who had the audacity to have a Bible sitting on his desk and quote scripture, while literally hundreds of thousands of helpless Americans died over a stupid and needless war. After all, "dialogue" would have solved the whole thing.

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You all feel better, patting each other on the back in a big circle for being stalwart Bush supporters?

Good. Now, back to reality -

Quote:

34,000 Iraqi civilians killed in 2006, U.N. reports
POSTED: 9:51 a.m. EST, January 16, 2007

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/16/un.iraq/index.html

No matter how much you think Bush 'meant well' or is just a poor communicator who is misunderstood, the fact is he made the decision to start a war which has lead to hundreds of thousands of ruined lives.

Cycloptichorn

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Reality, people die in war. A sad fact, but reality.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I'd just like to leave this turd here, sorry for the smell.

Cycloptichorn

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What is your point?

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tryingtohelp wrote:

Reality, people die in war. A sad fact, but reality.

It's not enough to just brush it off as 'reality.'

It takes an immense hubris to think that you can stir the pot in foreign situations and everything will just turn out okay. That's what we are dealing with here; immense hubris by the Bush crew, and it failed. But the price isn't being paid by Bush, or even by you and I; but by those in Iraq whose families are dead and aren't coming back.

It is amazing to me that anyone could consider this situation 'safer.'

Cycloptichorn

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Hmmm. Well some just recently condemned the USA for "not counting the Iraqi dead". Apparently somebody is counting. Who? What criteria are they using to come up with the numbers?

(Bear in mind, we do get death and injury reports via the meda reporting on the roadside bombs, etc. so yes, somebody is counting. But these 10's of thousands of Iraqis recently reported? Where did that number come from? Any credible source?)

And finally, who killed all those thousands and thousands of civilians?

Again, some Liberals seem incapable of distinguishing the acts of terrorists from the acts of the good guys. But hey, they're Liberals. They probably really can't help it.

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