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Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread III

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 11:17 am
Oh gee, I almost forgot; Bush is the president! He's only the commander in chief, and has no control over how our military is used. DAMN!
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 12:46 pm
okie wrote:
JTT wrote:
Please check yourself back in, Okie. Do it for your family.




JTT, actually, I am not in favor of more troops. But I have been listening to many Democrats say for the last couple of years or more that more troops were needed and that Bush is not running the war correctly. Now, he admitted mistakes and is sending more troops. To be fair, some Democrats did not call for more troops, but for those that did, it seems now they totally forgot what they said. The obvious goal of many key Democrats from the very beginning of this is to "get Bush," which means to disagree with him no matter what he does.


As I remember, Mr Rumsfeld declined to agree with the generals when they stated how many troops would be needed, at the outset.

Now that the situation has gone all to hell, and cannot now be contained, many Reps and Dems question the wisdom of sending more men in.

These two are quite different things- as if you didn't know. Smile

And it looks as though they got both decisions wrong- statistically unlikely though it is. Sad
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 02:02 pm
okie wrote:
Good advice. I will try to be more disciplined, but I admit my weakness. I know it isn't good for the trolls either, because the park rangers in Yellowstone had to make us quit giving the bears potato chips. They became spoiled and just made a habit of living out of the trash dumpsters. Thats probably what could happen here!

But I still can't resist pointing out again we've accomplished much of cicerone's 4 points: No WMD programs in Iraq, Hussein is gone, and there have been democratic elections in Iraq. Not bad so far.


When temptation hits--like when they leave an opening big enough to drive a freight train through--I find it helpful to recite several times: "I will not feed the trolls or argue with idiots or engage in exercises in futility". I have not yet achieved 100% success but I am better. Smile
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 02:16 pm
McTag wrote:
okie wrote:
JTT wrote:
Please check yourself back in, Okie. Do it for your family.




JTT, actually, I am not in favor of more troops. But I have been listening to many Democrats say for the last couple of years or more that more troops were needed and that Bush is not running the war correctly. Now, he admitted mistakes and is sending more troops. To be fair, some Democrats did not call for more troops, but for those that did, it seems now they totally forgot what they said. The obvious goal of many key Democrats from the very beginning of this is to "get Bush," which means to disagree with him no matter what he does.


As I remember, Mr Rumsfeld declined to agree with the generals when they stated how many troops would be needed, at the outset.


Now how many Generals, in comparison, agreed with the troop levels that were sent?
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 02:34 pm
Seems like a reasonable question. Do you not know the answer? Did President Bush, his aides, the FBI, Secret Service, CIA not check with the rest of you first?
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 02:39 pm
Foxfyre wrote:

Well I don't know what circles you move in, but I would lay odds that the large majority of Americans in most places consider unjustifiable killing of non-Americans to be every bit as offensive and reprehensible as killing of Americans. To listen to some of the rhetoric on this board (and the threads devoted to the Middle East) you might think many Americans find killing of non-Americans to be much more offensive and reprehensible as killing of Americans.

You especially see few, if any, liberals complaining when the terrorists kill Americans or anybody else. They blame George Bush for putting Americans in the line of fire or for giving the terrorists a reason to shoot at somebody, but you don't see much demanding that the terrorists pay any kind of penalty or retribution for the deaths.

The whole basis for this current line of discussion seems to be the notion of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. Many of the more anti-Bush, anti-military, and/or anti-American crowd seem to have the good guys and bad guys mixed up.


I agree with this statement.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 02:55 pm
I totally disagree with Fox's opinion. According to her position, liberals don't have their parents, children or friends fighting in Iraq. Only conservatives understand this war for what it is; they have all of their relatives or friends in Iraq, and only they have losses.
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 03:01 pm
Take out the titles of conservatives and liberals and use the word people.
This invasion has an impact on most of us.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 03:17 pm
Fox wrote: You especially see few, if any, liberals complaining when the terrorists kill Americans or anybody else. They blame George Bush for putting Americans in the line of fire or for giving the terrorists a reason to shoot at somebody, but you don't see much demanding that the terrorists pay any kind of penalty or retribution for the deaths.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 03:24 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I totally disagree with Fox's opinion. According to her position, liberals don't have their parents, children or friends fighting in Iraq. Only conservatives understand this war for what it is; they have all of their relatives or friends in Iraq, and only they have losses.


cicerone, maybe you haven't heard that the armed forces are currently 100% voluntary, and when you join, you agree to go wherever the country sends them, including what the Commander In Chief decides with permission of Congress, which everybody elected, not just conservatives. You can complain all you wish, but now tell your elected Democratic Congress they can now eliminate funding for Iraq altogether if they have the votes and the will to do it.

Here I go feeding the trolls again. Man what a tough habit to break!
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 03:35 pm
okie wrote:
Here I go feeding the trolls again. Man what a tough habit to break!


You're okay.

c.i. is not a troll.
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 04:01 pm
I apologize if I am wrong, but I am not a troll either (at least in my opinion). I think McTag is though. This day has been too long. I am going back to bed.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 04:02 pm
Oh thanks, Ticomaya. I mistakenly thought you were referring to cicerone when the reference was first made last page, my mistake. Sure enough, it was JTT you were referring to. My apologies, cicerone.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 04:18 pm
There is but one troll who infests this neck of the woods on a regular basis. It's not McT.

McT is a thoughtful, reasonably articulate poster, usually completely wrong in his views, but not given to invective or troll-like behavior.
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 04:27 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
There is but one troll who infests this neck of the woods on a regular basis. It's not McT.

McT is a thoughtful, reasonably articulate poster, usually completely wrong in his views, but not given to invective or troll-like behavior.


My apologies to McTag then. I know it is not me because I am not regular. Now I am going back to bed.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 04:54 pm
tryingtohelp wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
There is but one troll who infests this neck of the woods on a regular basis. It's not McT.

McT is a thoughtful, reasonably articulate poster, usually completely wrong in his views, but not given to invective or troll-like behavior.


My apologies to McTag then. I know it is not me because I am not regular. Now I am going back to bed.


You are most welcome and appreciated TTT. Please come back after your nap. Smile
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 04:58 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
okie wrote:
Here I go feeding the trolls again. Man what a tough habit to break!


You're okay.

c.i. is not a troll.


Perhaps not a troll, but he is a liberal who, deliberately and/or unintentionally, often reads as uncarefully as do many (most?) of the liberals who visit this thread; and he, like many of the other liberals, draws assumptions that are not only incorrect and unsubstantiated, but sometimes really over the top.

I think Okie can be forgiven for his so minutely minor gaffe in assigning troll status in this case.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 05:07 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
okie wrote:
Here I go feeding the trolls again. Man what a tough habit to break!


You're okay.

c.i. is not a troll.


Perhaps not a troll, but he is a liberal who, deliberately and/or unintentionally, often reads as uncarefully as do many (most?) of the liberals who visit this thread; and he, like many of the other liberals, draws assumptions that are not only incorrect and unsubstantiated, but sometimes really over the top.

I think Okie can be forgiven for his so minutely minor gaffe in assigning troll status in this case.


Wow, thanks, Foxfyre.
This caused me to look up the meaning, and this one is interesting from this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll

A troll is a fearsome member of a mythical anthropomorph race from Scandinavia. Their role ranges from fiendish giants - similar to the ogres of England - to a devious, more human-like folk of the wilderness, living underground in hills, caves or mounds.

Obviously, the cave or mound must be fitted with a computer with internet access.

Maybe this site has a better or less offending description?
http://www.answers.com/topic/troll

To wander about; ramble.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 05:44 pm
Well, since I'm neither from Scandinavia nor from England ...

But I read uncareful. That's why I can write book reviews. Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jan, 2007 06:05 pm
okie, Who's talking about whether our military is "voluntary" or not? It's about Bush as commander in chief, and his power to use them any way he pleases whether congress agrees or not.
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