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I should display some honesty here . . . i agree with Husker, c.i.'s post was uncalled for.

Hmm, a nice Beaujolais perhaps, or some good beer....

ci and I will drink for setanta.........
Caution!! Bible reading required!!!

husker,

Please note that your beliefs are a lot harder to discredit that the essay. I was simply saing the man who wrote the essay was either really dumb or he was purposefully using every fallacy in the book.

Debunking the essay is simply not debunking your beliefs. To say as much would be a logical fallacy and to boot even the very fallacy setanta mentioned (straw man).

Don't take it too hard, the article was simply attempting to do something it shouldn't.

Your beliefs can be logically defended though the simple fact that your detractors can't prove them wrong. The only question then is burden of proof and that can be nuanced.

In short, it's very easy to logically debate that there is a god, the guy simply went about it the wrong way.

A better question is if I believe in hell.

Cool beans, Boss, i'll be there late in the afternoon, a week from tamarra . . .

husker, Don't take it so personal. I'm just offering another perspective that doesn't agree with you or your beliefs. My beliefs are challenged all the time. Maybe you're right, and maybe I'm wrong. We'll never know, will we? c.i.

Now, Craven.....

You don't REALLY believe you are going to hell, do you?

Sniff . . . i don't take strong drink . . . but i can eat a hog trough full of mac & cheese . . .

Nah, twould be an excersise in futility for both of us. After all would you like to commit to debunking every article "prooving" atheism that I post? Eventually you'd get bored and tell me to just say hi to your buddies in hell.

We can do a blessing, or a brucha, but those who do not wish to participate can start drinking early

Oh yes, please . . .

but you can keep the stinky, nasty ol' grape juice . . .

Exactly!



Again, I say, agreed, with reservations, cav

The title, "THE PRACTICAL MAN'S PROOF OF GOD" assumes you must be "practical" to prove there is a god. To which I responded, B.S. It is my contention that "practical" has very little to do with proving there is a god. Practicing something doesn't prove it or disprove it. It only means there are people who 'believe' in it. For example, prayer. Many people practice saying prayers. Whether that proves there is a god is not logical. c.i.

I just figure that seeing as nobody can prove anything about how the world and it's beings came into existence (even science is still a working theory, really), why not just say hey, and enjoy what's around....earthly life can be heaven or hell, depending on your perception. Maybe that's the point.

Be careful there, Craven. Some of my best friends are there to greet me when I arrive. c.i.

truth
Setanta, I began to read your long and promising post, and have been called away. I'll get back to it when I return--looks promising. I just want to throw in one point while I am leaving. Notions like temporal eternity, and physical universe are human-made traps. They are not real "found" problems. When does time begin and stop? How can it as we conceive it? Regarding space, where does the universe (actually the All-verse) end? Meaningless questions to me. There is no time or space in our provincial senses of the terms. If we eliminate the notions when dealing with the Whatever Is. We'll avoid the waste of so much time and distressful puzzlement. Without space and time (as absolute qualities of the boundless Whatever Is) we'll have replaced "puzzlement" with "wonder and awe"--perhaps the highest spiritual consciousness for non-mystical atheists. I'm off.

As long as you make a reservation, I'll be willing to feed you max

NO, repeat, NO bible reading required!!

Keep quiet?
Heavens no!!
I was hoping you guys would do that voodoo that you do, you know, dontcha?

Anyone up for some mac and cheese with aged cheddar, roasted garlic and fresh rosemary? Maybe a bottle of rose....