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Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package

 
 
blatham
 
Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 08:50 am
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Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance
Plans Fund Defense In Anti-Terror Cases

By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 11, 2006; Page A01

CIA counterterrorism officers have signed up in growing numbers for a government-reimbursed, private insurance plan that would pay their civil judgments and legal expenses if they are sued or charged with criminal wrongdoing, according to current and former intelligence officials and others with knowledge of the program.

The new enrollments reflect heightened anxiety at the CIA that officers may be vulnerable to accusations they were involved in abuse, torture, human rights violations and other misconduct, including wrongdoing related to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They worry that they will not have Justice Department representation in court or congressional inquiries, the officials said.

The anxieties stem partly from public controversy about a system of secret CIA prisons in which detainees were subjected to harsh interrogation methods, including temperature extremes and simulated drowning. The White House contends the methods were legal, but some CIA officers have worried privately that they may have violated international law or domestic criminal statutes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091001286.html
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 09:18 am
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
blatham wrote:
Quote:
Worried CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance
Plans Fund Defense In Anti-Terror Cases

By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, September 11, 2006; Page A01

CIA counterterrorism officers have signed up in growing numbers for a government-reimbursed, private insurance plan that would pay their civil judgments and legal expenses if they are sued or charged with criminal wrongdoing, according to current and former intelligence officials and others with knowledge of the program.

The new enrollments reflect heightened anxiety at the CIA that officers may be vulnerable to accusations they were involved in abuse, torture, human rights violations and other misconduct, including wrongdoing related to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They worry that they will not have Justice Department representation in court or congressional inquiries, the officials said.

The anxieties stem partly from public controversy about a system of secret CIA prisons in which detainees were subjected to harsh interrogation methods, including temperature extremes and simulated drowning. The White House contends the methods were legal, but some CIA officers have worried privately that they may have violated international law or domestic criminal statutes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091001286.html

Do you have any evidence that they have violated US law or treaties to which the US is signatory?

It must be wonderful you to come from the perfect utopia of Canada, and to be able to criticize others from such a situation of moral superiority.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 09:33 am
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
Brandon9000 wrote:

It must be wonderful you to come from the perfect utopia of Canada, and to be able to criticize others from such a situation of moral superiority.


Would you like to take a moment to compose yourself and try that again, Brandon? Next time, try using the English language. We might then be able to understand your point.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 09:35 am
What i found hilarious is that Brandon attacks Mr. Mountie, when Mr. Mountie has simply posted a portion of an artile, and a link to the article, without further comment.

Brandon, you might direct your complaint to the author(s) of the piece linked in the Mountie's article, rather than lashing out at someone who has not, as of yet, commented.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 10:06 am
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 10:21 am
Brandon is continuing this "prove it" rhetorical move that he's under the impression is a winner. I'm trying to get him up to speed elsewhere.

The "Canadian" thing is likely just his anger seeping out the corners. It's an irrelevancy as the piece initiating this thread is from an American paper and because there isn't anything I argue which doesn't have voice in many Americans as well.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 10:58 am
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
JTT wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:

It must be wonderful you to come from the perfect utopia of Canada, and to be able to criticize others from such a situation of moral superiority.


Would you like to take a moment to compose yourself and try that again, Brandon? Next time, try using the English language. We might then be able to understand your point.

Obviously, I mean "wonderful for you." Would you like me to review your posts to verify that none contains a typo? I suppose that irrelevant distractions are probably your best bet for defeating my viewpoint.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:00 am
Setanta wrote:
What i found hilarious is that Brandon attacks Mr. Mountie, when Mr. Mountie has simply posted a portion of an artile, and a link to the article, without further comment.

Brandon, you might direct your complaint to the author(s) of the piece linked in the Mountie's article, rather than lashing out at someone who has not, as of yet, commented.

Is it not obvious that his point in posting the article was to suggest that the CIA has, of late, engaged in torture of prisoners? So, according to you, blatham had no point whatever in posting the article?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:01 am
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
Brandon9000 wrote:
JTT wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:

It must be wonderful you to come from the perfect utopia of Canada, and to be able to criticize others from such a situation of moral superiority.


Would you like to take a moment to compose yourself and try that again, Brandon? Next time, try using the English language. We might then be able to understand your point.

Obviously, I mean "wonderful for you." Would you like me to review your posts to verify that none contains a typo? I suppose that irrelevant distractions are probably your best bet for defeating my viewpoint.


There was no viewpoint to defeat. Despite your obsession with "winning" discussions, you really stepped in it this time. Mr. Mountie had posted a portion of an article and a link to that article. He posted no comment on the article. You lashed out at him completely without reason. There was no "viewpoint" on your part to be dealt with other thatn your hateful babbling.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:02 am
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
Setanta wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
JTT wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:

It must be wonderful you to come from the perfect utopia of Canada, and to be able to criticize others from such a situation of moral superiority.


Would you like to take a moment to compose yourself and try that again, Brandon? Next time, try using the English language. We might then be able to understand your point.

Obviously, I mean "wonderful for you." Would you like me to review your posts to verify that none contains a typo? I suppose that irrelevant distractions are probably your best bet for defeating my viewpoint.


There was no viewpoint to defeat. Despite your obsession with "winning" discussions, you really stepped in it this time. Mr. Mountie had posted a portion of an article and a link to that article. He posted no comment on the article. You lashed out at him completely without reason. There was no "viewpoint" on your part to be dealt with other thatn your hateful babbling.

I'm sure that people post political articles on the Politics Forum all the time with no actual point whatsoever. And, of course, he has no previous posts from which intent can be inferred.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:04 am
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
Brandon9000 wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
JTT wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:

It must be wonderful you to come from the perfect utopia of Canada, and to be able to criticize others from such a situation of moral superiority.


Would you like to take a moment to compose yourself and try that again, Brandon? Next time, try using the English language. We might then be able to understand your point.

Obviously, I mean "wonderful for you." Would you like me to review your posts to verify that none contains a typo? I suppose that irrelevant distractions are probably your best bet for defeating my viewpoint.


There was no viewpoint to defeat. Despite your obsession with "winning" discussions, you really stepped in it this time. Mr. Mountie had posted a portion of an article and a link to that article. He posted no comment on the article. You lashed out at him completely without reason. There was no "viewpoint" on your part to be dealt with other thatn your hateful babbling.

I'm sure that people post political articles on the Politics Forum all the time with no actual point whatsoever. And, of course, he has no previous posts from which intent can be inferred.


This is just more idiotic and hateful babbling. If you inferred an intent, you might at least have articulated what it was you were attempting to browbeat him about. As it stands right now, all that you appear to have inferred is that Mr. Mountie holds opinions with which you disagree, which he is not entitled to hold as he is a native of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Canuckistan.

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Mr. Mountie, you ain't from around here, air ye?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:05 am
That doesn't change the fact that you attacked the poster. You should apologize.

Cycloptichorn
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:08 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that you attacked the poster. You should apologize.

Cycloptichorn

For the millionth time, I have never suggested that one shouldn't attack an opposing poster. I have argued that a post which contains nothing but a personal attack has no significance in debate.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:19 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that you attacked the poster. You should apologize.

Cycloptichorn



Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Is this something you are going to actually start doing? Enforcing this rule? You'll be busier then a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest with just the liberals here.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:20 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that you attacked the poster. You should apologize.

Cycloptichorn

For the millionth time, I have never suggested that one shouldn't attack an opposing poster. I have argued that a post which contains nothing but a personal attack has no significance in debate.


Therefore, your initial post in this thread is, by your criterion, without significance.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:21 am
McGentrix wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that you attacked the poster. You should apologize.

Cycloptichorn



Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Is this something you are going to actually start doing? Enforcing this rule? You'll be busier then a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest with just the liberals here.


Nah, I don't mind personal insults one bit and have been known to throw them out when I feel they are warranted. I just thought it was funny to see Brandon doing it, seeing as he gets his panties in a bunch all the time about it.

Cycloptichron
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:28 am
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
Brandon9000 wrote:
Do you have any evidence that they have violated US law or treaties to which the US is signatory?

The problem here isn't just that Brandon misunderstands the nature of blatham's post, but that he also misunderstands the nature of insurance. If there had been any evidence that the CIA officers had violated US law or treaties, then they couldn't have gotten insurance coverage. Insurance only covers future risks, not past misdeeds. So Brandon is asking for something that not only the article doesn't address, but something that doesn't make any sense in the context of insurance.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 12:02 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that you attacked the poster. You should apologize.

Cycloptichorn



Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Is this something you are going to actually start doing? Enforcing this rule? You'll be busier then a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest with just the liberals here.


Nah, I don't mind personal insults one bit and have been known to throw them out when I feel they are warranted. I just thought it was funny to see Brandon doing it, seeing as he gets his panties in a bunch all the time about it.

Cycloptichron

Wrong again, I never do. I only maintain that a post which contains nothing put attacks on the poster is of no debating significance.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 12:03 pm
Re: Torturers' Prudential of America Insurance Package
joefromchicago wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Do you have any evidence that they have violated US law or treaties to which the US is signatory?

The problem here isn't just that Brandon misunderstands the nature of blatham's post, but that he also misunderstands the nature of insurance. If there had been any evidence that the CIA officers had violated US law or treaties, then they couldn't have gotten insurance coverage. Insurance only covers future risks, not past misdeeds. So Brandon is asking for something that not only the article doesn't address, but something that doesn't make any sense in the context of insurance.

So, in fact, no one has any evidence that the CIA has, of late, tortured prisoners, excepting, of course, agents who were acting contrary to policy?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Sep, 2006 12:13 pm
Of course there is evidence; re: the exemption of the CIA from recently passed restrictions on torture by the Pentagon.

If they weren't using it, or didn't plan on using it, there would be no reason for exemptions.

Cycloptichorn

ps. there are many times when a post is written in response to you which contain both arguments AND personal attacks. You tend to ignore the arguments and denounce the personal attacks without ever addressing the point of the response.
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