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McGentrix wrote:

Seems Iraqi prisoners are begging for Americans now. link

So you're saying "we're good because others are worse?"

Please tell me that you aren't that much of an idiot.

"Well I wore a condom, so it couldn't have been rape!"

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roger wrote:

Back on topic; I had no idea a person could insure against the consequences of their own illegal acts. Certainly, a contract for an illegal purpose is unenforceable.

Hey, could the insurance company be guilty of abetting a crime?

Hi roger. Nice to see you. Interesting times, no?

I confess that Joe's post has confused the heck out of me on this matter. I assume that the insurance policies are available and being subsidized by the government as described and I don't know how to square that with Joe's legal point.

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blatham wrote:

roger wrote:
Back on topic; I had no idea a person could insure against the consequences of their own illegal acts. Certainly, a contract for an illegal purpose is unenforceable.

Hey, could the insurance company be guilty of abetting a crime?

Hi roger. Nice to see you. Interesting times, no?

I confess that Joe's post has confused the heck out of me on this matter. I assume that the insurance policies are available and being subsidized by the government as described and I don't know how to square that with Joe's legal point.

As I understand it, the insurance would provide coverage for legal fees incurred by CIA agents in defending themselves against charges of criminal activity. The insurance would not, however, compensate them for any fines they would have to pay if they are found guilty, nor would it pay any civil judgments against the agents.

It is against public policy to issue an insurance policy that covers illegal acts or the consequences of those illegal acts, but it is not against public policy to cover legal costs, since anyone charged with a crime is presumed innocent.

The risk being insured against, then, is the risk of incurring legal fees, not the risk of committing a criminal act. A fine distinction, perhaps, but an important one.

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Quite clear once you've explained it.

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Thanks joe. I owe you a beer.

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So, to recap (and to stir the turd a little), the point is not that anyone here is alleging that members of Central Intelligence have or have not committed illegal acts. The point has been made, and it is a good one, that the fact that they are attempting to indemnify themselves against the costs of defending against accusations of criminality at the least suggests that these people have an idea that they may well be charged with criminal acts.

I don't know without re-reading the thread (something which i don't intend to do), but i don't believe that anyone here has said that they are known to have committed criminal acts. Demanding that any participant in this thread prove that employees of Central Intelligence have committed criminal acts is an attempt to drag a red herring over the ground, when all that's pointed to in this article is that some of those boys and girls are having their "pinks" cleaned in anticipation that the hunt may soon be afoot.

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Yuppers. Heading this weekend over to the local Army Surplus outlet to get one of them Elmer Fudd caps.

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ehBeth wrote:

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Hell, we won't have need to self-identify as Canadians.

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Quote:

The extent of the torture and abuse that British residents held at Guantanamo Bay claim to have suffered is revealed for the first time in a series of recently declassified interviews between the detainees and their human rights lawyers.

Documents submitted to the American courts allege that one of the detainees was strapped to a chair by prison guards and beaten and tortured to the point of death.

Other British suspects are still being held in solitary confinement, four years after their capture, where they are subjected to extreme temperatures, sleep deprivation and the confiscation of the most basic necessities, including lavatory paper and blankets.

None has been charged with any crime.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article1655652.ece

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The Red Cross expects, this week or next, to interview the CIA-held detainees recently shifted to gitmo.

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