Hill and Bill; Coming Soon in Paperback...

How about "whipping post for bitter, jealous republicans"?

The excerpts about her reaction to her husband's affair with Lewinsky are a couple of pages in a book of her memoirs - memoirs that tell about her whole life. I think it's much more telling of certain segments of the public than it is about Hillary Clinton that those are the only few pages the book is being judged by. None of us would have turned the 8 million dollars down if we had the chance, and there's nothing unusual or ugly about someone whose lived her life to want to write memoirs about it.

The only thing I have a problem with is that right now, this is giving Republicans another chance to focus back on Bill Clinton - something they love to do, and hate to admit.

So, you think she picked a bad time to have it published?
As to 'whipping post': She seems to be doing pretty well.

Her timing has less to do with it than the fact that anytime is a good time to harp on the demon Clinton, for some.

And yes, "whipping post" - whether or not she has survived and thrived has nothing to do with the fact that some people have a maniacal obsession with hating her.

Which, snood, means that there is no right or wrong time. From what I've read in the trades, research said this book will sell in the millions all over the world, and some places are already oversold on orders.

It's funny. As a long-married lady, I always thought the Clinton marriage represented one of the most solid marriages around. Every marriage has some very serious cracks, and it's what's done about them that determines the nature of the marriage. There are so many times that just living with a serious illness takes a toll. But the Clintons always seemed to communicate with each other, whether shouting, arguing, or just leaning on each other. And certainly Chelsea reflected that strength. When Hillary was running for Senator, Bill's pride in her was palpable to those who witnessed it. Obviously there was never a hint of the "little lady" back there where she belonged. And just as obviously she respected a lot about him.

Infidelity is a difficult situation, sometimes causing irreperable damage. But not always.

I hope her book sells like "It Takes a Village," which, despite the fun the repubs poke at it, is still having international sales, while books by Lynn Cheney and Newt Gingrich became such rapid remainders.

And frankly, I don't care when she knew about the poor Monica. It's her (and his) behavior afterwards that I think is admirable. To be able to rise above and go forward - and that's what's happened. I think maybe the little green-eyed monsters still don't understand why the reputations of Hill and Bill are still high in so many parts of the world. The opinions don't rest upon the Monicas but rather upon the very real brain power and empathy that is there. That's a grown-up opinion.

You'll note it was Hillary herself that started all the "vast right-wing conspiracy" crap. The difference between the "bitter, jealous republicans" and Hillary is that she refused to see what her husband was up to and played the victim instead of waking up and smelling the coffee.

The most interesting thing about this entire book is that in every situation she brings up it turns out that there was "something" that she refused to acknowledge even though people around her were telling her that she was wrong or missing information. In each and every case she jumped headlong into projects and refused to accept input from people that disagreed with her preconceived ideas (like her healthcare reform fiasco..). This book could end up being the strongest ammunition AGAINST her should she make a run for the Presidency.

I thought it wasn't published yet, in any edition and doesn't go on sale until Monday. How'd you come to read the entire thing?

Yeah, Piff - I was wondering about the same thing when Sofia asked in the opening post "Who's read it?".

Well, the AP did get an advance copy. I thought maybe Fishin' had one.

There are things about Hillary that I like, things that I don't understand or like and the same goes for her husband. I am still aghast that he'd be such a jerk. However I don't doubt that there is a strong right-wing push to stay in power -- who can call it a conspiracy? Do the dirty tricks of Karl Rowe count?

Sofia wrote:


I totally agree. Frankly, I think Hillary is as devious as Bill is.

Snood wrote:


Could be, but that's what's selling the book, and I'm sure that's what she is counting on.

I think they could all take a lesson from Buddy the dog.

I'm not going to bother getting all the facts straight about Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Monica Lewinsky. What I can say, as a woman, is how I would react, respond, if it was revealed to the world the true nature of my husband's "affair" with the young intern.

"Inappropiate intimacy" is the exact description BC should have used, and did. He didn't have a love affair with Monica, but a gross and indecent experience with a mixed up young woman. How is any man interesting and respectful, again, when a pretty young woman tells all about a "cigar," and how the blue dress was a little messy?

Hillary is a very clever and intelligent lady. But, she pretends anger at the fact her husband had this intimate relationship with Monica, when in fact Bill had probably always been unfaithful. How many times can one lady gasp and cry?

Her anger, no doubt, was the kinkyness of the "inappropriate intimacy." No doubt he aged overnight listening to Monica's brutally honest truth. The two deserved each other (Bill & Monica). Hillary should have ripped out the man's eyeballs but of course she doesn't have to do that.

I have no idea of Hillary's private life, but I do admire the manner in which she has handled a hedious view by the entire world of her husband's stupidity. He is stupid because he really never had to answer that question of whether or not he had an affair with Ms Lewinsky. Why not, "Perhaps I did, but I'm not proud of it. People don't discuss such things in public, do they? Shame on you for asking a question of that nature!"

It is not that he lied that is so gross and terrible, but that he answered that question at all.

I haven't read the entire book but I've read about 50 reviews of it in the last week and each one has mentioned several events she mentions in the book and how she views/sees them and reacted to them. The Monica issue invariably comes up in most all of the reviews but there are usually 3 or 4 other events covered as well.

Maybe fishing was being physic,,,, where did you get that copy, fish? And you've read it through already? Can I borrow it?

And yes, you are still in denial that there was a concerted effort by many on the right to bring down Clinton's Presidency. They told you a bunch of lies and stumbled on one truth, but you don't or won't see the liars for who they are.

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As for my opinion of Hillary and Bill, I think they are both smart, that they both have little personality disorders and that they are both sincere in their beliefs about how to make the American government a benefit to it's citizens.
I think she had the right ideas about the healthcare system and got shouted down by the right before she even had a chance to present her plan. By the time the little blue book came out, most minds were made up. It was another case of some people getting to read things before publication, right fish? (If you wonder where she got the idea that the right might be viciously engaged in opposition, this instance would be a good place to start.)

As for Bill: I was pissed off too, I wanted them all to be lies. I do think my great-grandchildren will read the following paragraph in their history books:
William Jefferson Clinton: Despite his successful tax policy which he got passed without a single Republican vote and which led to an economic expansion lasting seven years and his crafted bombing campaign in the war in Kosovo, he could neither find a way to peace in the Middle East nor melt the hearts of his opposition. His two terms were marred by accusations by his opponents of financial mis-dealings, drug smuggling, official malfeasance and even murder. All these issues were investigated by a total of four Special Prosecutors and found baseless. Clinton did admit to making a perjured statement about a personal relationship, there was an impeachment proceeding based on that admission in which he was found not guilty of official misconduct.

And now you have read 50 reviews, 50 count em 50..

I'm not convinced her anger wasn't real. I don't buy that she knew of his activities all along though... I think she did believe him all along.

She is smart but in many ways she is very much like Al Gore. She seems to make up her mind about something and then refuses to accept that there might be other people that don't see things the way she does or that her perception isn't 100% accurate. She seems to be convinced that she is always 100% right on target. When someone sets themselves up like that, finding out you've been wrong in such a public way can be a pretty crushing blow.

Liars? Like Bill and Hillary??? lol

Fishing wrote:

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Who does that sound like? Like someone who has read about 50 reviews of a a book all of which seem to reinforce what he already believed.

There is a form of narcissism that makes you believe any faults you might have are really the faults of others.

I'm disappointed Fishin' isn't associated with AP. This is not a book I'm likely to read anyway. I wouldn't expect to get the "real" truth from it. With celebrity and political figures I just assume they're grandstanding and I can hardly blame them.

Anybody read Stephanopoulous' (wow, spelling) book or Primary Colors or listen to Dick morris and almost anyone who knew these two and you will know:

1) Everybody knew Bill was a serial cheater.

Not saying Primary Colors was exact, but EVERYBODY CAN'T BE WRONG.

Hillary is intelligent. No one could be stupid enough to buy his horsesh!t about 'helping' Monica....

I've read a few reviews, as well, and heard a great deal of comment in the media about the book.

There was no more of a concerted effort to bring down Clinton's Presidency than any other Presidency. It just seemed to most people that it should be easy to nail Clinton because his life yeilded so much material. All politicians are out to get the other side of the aisle, all the time.

As someone wise said of this conversation on another thread-- All politicians are dirty. The GOP just thought the Clintons had been a little more careless than most, and went after them full throttle. They should have been able to pin financial misdeeds on them, but couldn't. Rather than lose this battle, they went for the bedroom.

Anyhow-- Most of the Dem strategists are criticizing Hill for putting the book out now. Was wondering what our resident libs think of her, and her decision. (Think I know what my fellow non-libs think of her :wink: )

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There is a form of narcissism that makes you believe any faults you might have are really the faults of others.
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This fits Hillary AND Bill to a tee.

Just to address something Tex Star brought to mind--
An isolated infidelity isn't a good reason to throw out a marriage, IMO. But Clinton's obsession with other women is a different thing altogether, again, IMO.

Think Piffka is right about truth in books like these, by anyone.