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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 01:22 pm
September 3, 2006

Man kills robbery suspect
Police: Bar customer was attacked in truck and shot assailant 5 times
By Rob Schneider
<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
September 3, 2006
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060903&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=609030482&SectionCat=&Template=printart

A would-be robber got more than he bargained for early Saturday when
his intended victim pulled out a handgun and shot him five times
outside a Lawrence bar, authorities said.
Police identified the suspected robber as Ronald Zenor, 29,
Indianapolis, who was taken to Wishard Memorial Hospital, where he died.
The incident occurred about 3:30 a.m. as the Sports Page Lounge, 4603
N. Post Road, was closing.
Eric Conter, 22, Indianapolis, had left the bar and climbed into his
pickup. Zenor reached through the window, tried to pull a necklace
off Conter's neck and began choking him, Lawrence Police Chief Jack
Bailey said.
Acting in self-defense, Conter pulled out his 9 mm pistol and shot
Zenor, Bailey said.
Panicked, Conter drove off after the shooting, but he later contacted
the Indianapolis Police Department and then gave a statement to
Lawrence detectives.
Police believe Zenor was involved in a robbery outside another bar in
the 8800 block of Pendleton Pike about a half-hour before he was
shot. That robbery victim's driver's license and credit card were
found on Zenor.
Bailey said Conter, who has a permit for his gun, had a witness who
verified his account of the shooting.
While Conter was not arrested, investigators' findings about the
shooting will be turned over to the Marion County prosecutor's office
for a formal determination on whether to press charges, Bailey said.
Zenor's death was the 98th homicide in Marion County this year.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 01:25 pm
Altho I don 't necessarily approve of 9mm pistols
( .44 special revolvers have better stopping power
and r more mechanically reliable ),
let us exult in the absence
of another bad guy.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 02:50 pm
The punishment does not seem to befit the crime. Rolling Eyes
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 04:02 pm
Intrepid wrote:
The punishment does not seem to befit the crime. Rolling Eyes

It was not punishment; it was an accident.
It was a wonderful accident that rid us of a danger.


Altho I wud not render burglary into a capital offense,
a homeowner is within his moral rights
( and in many jurisdictions, within his legal rights )
to defend his property and to defend himself by killing the criminal.

As I see it, the rights of the criminal were suspended,
during the criminal offense, being subordinate to the victim 's right of self defense.

David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 04:04 pm
I wonder how many crimes will NOT be committed
because this fellow is too dead to commit them ?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 07:49 pm
???? You call pulling out a gun and shooting somebody accidental? Everybody has right's....even criminals.

Your vigilante, shoot 'em dead philosophy is right out of the dark ages. You should learn not to be so afraid.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 09:44 pm
Intrepid wrote:
???? You call pulling out a gun and shooting somebody accidental?

Yes.
Have u evidence that he chose to murder his partner ?




Quote:

Everybody has right's....even criminals.

It seems to me that a criminal 's rights r in a state of suspension,
during his crime; i.e., that thay r subordinate to the rights of his victim
to self defense.



Quote:

Your vigilante, shoot 'em dead philosophy is right out of the dark ages.
You should learn not to be so afraid.

U shud learn not to make false assumptions.

I am not emotional about crime,
but I desire my fellow citizens to be as well prepared
to deal with it as possible; I desire the good guys to win.

I have no emotions about flat tires,
but I carry a spare in my trunk, wherever I drive; maybe u think that is too fearful.
Perhaps u consider the AAA to be a paranoid organization ?
David
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 10:11 pm
apples and oranges
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 10:13 pm
Someone here digs violence. feeds on it.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 10:14 pm
ossobuco wrote:
Someone here digs violence. feeds on it.


You noticed that too? Have you read his profile?
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 10:26 pm
Whereas most of us made do with Playboy et al, he probably subscribed to "Ammo Monthly", which had a fold out centre page of a Magnum pistol with a GIANT barrel.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 4 Sep, 2006 10:29 pm
Good magazine, Lord. (no pun intended)
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 07:51 pm
Intrepid wrote:
ossobuco wrote:
Someone here digs violence. feeds on it.


You noticed that too?

Have you read his profile?

Is it VIOLENT ?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 5 Sep, 2006 09:01 pm
Watch your blood pressure. Wouldn't want you to have a vein pop or anything. You really do not have a rational train of thougt for a mensa member. :wink:
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 08:15 am
Seems like the guy acted in self-defence. He was being choked by an unknown assailant. Who can tell what this ex-criminals intentions were? Better to read this story then the story of a man found dead in his pickup truck after being robbed and strangled to death.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 08:20 am
Shooting him 5 times and leaving the scene is a little more than self defence.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 09:04 am
Intrepid wrote:
Shooting him 5 times and leaving the scene is a little more than self defence.


Where does it say he shot the criminal 5 times?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:18 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Shooting him 5 times and
leaving the scene is a little more than self defence.

So your rational train of thougt
is that if he had lingered around,
then what preceded was self defense ?
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:23 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Watch your blood pressure.

My surgeon informs me that I have good blood pressure, thank u.


Quote:

Wouldn't want you to have a vein pop or anything.
You really do not have a rational train of thougt for a mensa member. :wink:

O, really ?
Where did I go rong ?
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:29 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Seems like the guy acted in self-defence.
He was being choked by an unknown assailant.
Who can tell what this ex-criminals intentions were?

Better to read this story then the story of a man found dead in his pickup truck
after being robbed and strangled to death.

I 'm pretty sure that the robbery victim agrees with u.
The rest of us ( or those citizens in that locality, anyway ) owe him a debt of gratitude for improved safety conditions.

I like to see the good guys win.
David
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