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My, you fellows have been busy.

Talk, the way you and Tele represent the atmosphere of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses makes me question your agenda.

But once again I ask you to instruct us in the way of truth. Tell us what you would have us believe. What is your Good News? Where and how do you obey Hebrews 10:24,25?

"And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, 25 not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near"

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Talkactive wrote:

"First things first Talkactive. Not trying to be sarcastic or rude, but have you not found the quote button yet? It is on the top right side of this post. If you click it, it will quote the whole post you just read. Just a suggestion though..."

Hephzibah! Even with your kind guidence, it doesn't functioning.

"Do you really think JW are the only one's who have given a "time the end will come"? LOL if you do, you are being quite naive my friend... with a twist of arrogance in there as well. Arrogance becomes no one that I've ever met. Myself included"

I don't claim to be Gods channel and have the truth, furthermore force people to belive what I belive by putting sanctions behind, like the Watchtower Society, if you don't belive in 1914 etc. I think you are quite unfamilary with the Watchtowers doctrines, teachings and procedures and secret trails like the one with Jesus!

Well that's always nice to hear. You are one of few who don't claim to be "God's channel". Though... just some food for thought... actions speak louder than words. You can say you don't claim to be, but what are your actions saying?

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I think you are trying to avoid the facts, that the Watchtower Societys doctrines leads to death casualties and totally have missed the thread!

Guess what talkactive... so does christianity. Do you know that christianity has probably been the cause of more suicides than anyone will ever be willing to recognize or admit? I'd put money on it. Big money.

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I have even stated that it is not my goal to force anybody to be in or leave the Society, or judge anybody, but to forward information that people can be aware of and informed of what really goes on and hopefully be able to save as minst one life, hopefully more, from being sacrified at the Watchtowers alters, by information related to the fact and the Bible!

Again... actions speak louder than words. Think about this talkactive... How many people do you think your condescending words and ideals have pushed to the brink of suicide? Of feeling there is no hope for them? No grace? No love? How many people do you think have heard your words, as well intended as they may be, and felt that there they were somehow bad because they didn't believe the same as you do?

Have you ever considered the impact the things you say might really be having? Not how you THINK it should impact them, or how you think it is impacting them, but how it really IS impacting them. Do you ever think that people are more than just what they show you on the outside? That maybe as well meaning as you are some of the things you say could be taken as being quite condescending and condemning?

Talkactive wrote:

I will hereby kindly take the liberty to guide your attention to what comes forth in Ephesians 5:6-15!

5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Do you also mean that the first Christians was covered by the versus you refer to, when they were disclosing the scribes and pharisees doctrines, but wasn't perfect as Jesus? (Not to compare them with me or others, just as an example)

Quote all you want talkactive. The question is are you LIVING what you believe? What story is YOUR life telling?

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snood wrote:

Shaddup, Setanta.

Bite me, clown.

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Setanta wrote:

snood wrote:
Shaddup, Setanta.

Bite me, clown.

Blow, mighty wind....

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I heard you blow . . . is that so?

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Now that's enough! No recess for either of you!

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Now that's enough! No recess for either of you!

Neo, do you think that those persons, you have in mind, have thought of what Jesus said in in Matthew 5:22?

King James:

5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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Setanta. Have you ever thought of, that the Christian Scientists haven't' had a change to get their stuff around, without your and others support. How does it harmonize and come?

Will it not be a good idea to start where you have knowledge about what's going on, like I have with The Watchtower Society, now you mentioned it?

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If you're so hot to excoriate those whom you allege are responsible for the deaths of people from a lack of competent medical care, why aren't you out crusading against the Christian Scientists, who eschew a lot more than simply blood transfusion?

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Yes, in fact, i am a veteran of the United States Army. I might come back later to attempt to decipher your almost incomprehensible drivel, and make a reply . . .

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The Christian Scientists get no support from me. However, i'm not surprised that you make such a wild and unsubstantiated charge. Your congnitive processes seem to be no better developed than your coherence in English--which is to say, not very damned well at all.

I was amused by your quote of scripture, though . . .

Snood, did you see that? Your anger condemns you. ". . . but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. You subscribe to all that bobble bullshit--it appears you are condemned by your own beliefs.

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Hephzibah wrote:

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Quote all you want talkactive. The question is are you LIVING what you believe? What story is YOUR life telling?

Hephzibah. I think your horses have runaway with you!

It seems for me that you totally have missed the thread here, where Neo informed us that his skin was mighty thick and not to forget he would be willing to, for himself and maybe mostly his beloved ones, make a decision based at doctrines, when it comes to the question of life and death situation, where medical use of blood will be involved, which he based at the Watchtowers illogical teachings, both seen in the light of what the Bible tells us and what comes forth from medical experts.

Doctor S started the thread.

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Would you, Neo, let your child die if a blood transfusion was the only method that might save his/her life?
This is obviously not an attack, but it has been puzzling me how you might rationalize this.

Nero wrote:

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Folks. Doc and I get along just fine and you probably know by now that my skin is mighty thick. The blood issue is one widely associated with Jehovah's Witnesses and I see no reason to sidestep it simply because it arouses great emotion. To answer a question posed earlier, allow me to quote from a Watchtower publication:

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And, regardless of the medical experts, I would answer yes to refusing a blood transfusion for myself or any of my dependents (who are now well past the age of majority)

Bold added.

It seems also for me that you are totally unfamiliar with the Watchtower Society's flippering teachings in question of medicine, organs and the blood.

In your profile you mentioned that you are a Christian, what does that means to you?

For me it means to look at our head of the Christian beliefs, Jesus, even before he became Christ. When we look at his example in Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, and condemned the Scribes and the Pharisees, especially in Matthew, whole Chapter 23 especially versus 23 it seems for me, among others also to fit perfect at the Watchtower Society today, that's what it all about for me, not to blame Neo or anybody else personally, but to make him thinking whether its his own decisions, or he let's the Watchtower do the thinking for him.

So I take the liberty to say, that you have misunderstood me totally, it is not a question to blame anybody personally, which Jesus never did, but to, among other, follow the Bibles recommendations in Hezekiah 3:18-22: That was omong other the rason for quoting from ephesians, that the Bible warn us to not be associated!

King James.
3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

The issue is to get people to think, what they later decide, for themselves is their own responsibility, Galatians 6:5, but they also are convinced, so much that The Watchtower Society is Gods chosen channel and all what comes from them are food in proper time, which in question of the medical use of blood cost thousands of thousands of children's life.

It seems for me that you have addressed your label to the wrong person!

The question is are you crossing your arms, when you obviously are aware that an organisations doctrines leads to unnecessary death casualties, due to that we shall love each other as stated in Romans 13:8. will it not be to love our nightbour, when we warn them from wicked and evil organisations doctrines?

PS.

Maybe you better understand how people in general act by reading this quote:

Dear folks,

Please wakeup.

The WTB&TS is a Multi-Million (Billion) Dollar worldwide publishing company.

When the issue of blood is brought up in the 'Bethel' boardrooms, there are no Bibles in the room. Only Lawyers. Accountants. Tax 'Analyists'.

Laying out in front of them on printed page they have reports. Projections. Budgets. 'Law' reviews.

They decide.

They tell the "GB".

The GB tells the Writing Committee.

The Writing Committee 'translates' it into 'Witnesspeak'.

It goes to press.

At the Kingdom Hall, Jane picks up the latest AWAKE! She's pleased to see her 'food at the proper time'.

She reads the article on Blood.

She makes a decision for herself and her young son concerning 'Gods view of Blood' based upon what she has read from the source that she trusts.

Almighty God JEHOVAH, in Heaven, patiently waits for the right time in which to judge the evil men that began all this.

Your Brother,
PropMin.

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Now that's an interesting revelation.

The member here who calls him- or herself "Talkactive" has closed the last post with "PropMin." An online search reveals that someone calling him- or herself "PropMin" posts at Jehovah's Witnesses discussion boards, questioning JW doctrine.

So, "Talkactive," are you really "PropMin?" This is your hobby horse, isn't it? Tracking down and attacking Jehovah's Witnesses? Is that your dirty little secret?

Fanatical Christians disgust me.

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Setanta wrote.

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The Christian Scientists get no support from me. However, i'm not surprised that you make such a wild and unsubstantiated charge. Your congnitive processes seem to be no better developed than your coherence in English--which is to say, not very damned well at all.

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Yes, in fact, i am a veteran of the United States Army. I might come back later to attempt to decipher your almost incomprehensible drivel, and make a reply . . .

Have you only sharpened pensils in you time as veteran in the United States Army, or have you been used the weapon technology the Christian Sientists have created. Does that not mens to or a support for you?

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Talkactive wrote:

Have you only sharpened pensils in you time as veteran in the United States Army, or have you been used the weapon technology the Christian Sientists have created.

That was a pathetic attempt to insult me, and quite par for the course with your atrocious English language skills. Your allegations about weapon technology developed by Christian Scientists, however, reveals more of your loony mindset.

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Does that not mens to or a support for you?

This is a typical example of your inability to write a coherent sentence. On an assumption that this sentence refers to your paranoid conspiracy delusion about C.S. and weapons systems, i'll simply note that, as it happens, i spent three years in the United States Army Medical Corps. We didn't shoot people.

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Setanta wrote:

Now that's an interesting revelation.

The member here who calls him- or herself "Talkactive" has closed the last post with "PropMin." An online search reveals that someone calling him- or herself "PropMin" posts at Jehovah's Witnesses discussion boards, questioning JW doctrine.

So, "Talkactive," are you really "PropMin?" This is your hobby horse, isn't it? Tracking down and attacking Jehovah's Witnesses? Is that your dirty little secret?

Fanatical Christians disgust me.

I have long been of the opinion that not only Talk, but also Tele, have had much larger agendas.

I am still waiting for one of them to assume the lectern and instruct us in the way of the truth.

So, once again T&T, you have spent much time telling us what is false; please tell us what is true.

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Santanta wrote:

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This is a typical example of your inability to write a coherent sentence. On an assumption that this sentence refers to your paranoid conspiracy delusion about C.S. and weapons systems, i'll simply note that, as it happens, i spent three years in the United States Army Medical Corps. We didn't shoot people.

So you use an injection needle in your basic training, rather than a dummy or a real gun?

You should talk about assaulting ones, thats what you are trying to do all the time, not only me but others too!!! you will not be successfull.

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Er. Don't forget my request for instruction. You may start any time.

I will once again be gone all day; so you will have no interruption from me.

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Talkactive wrote:

Santanta wrote:

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This is a typical example of your inability to write a coherent sentence. On an assumption that this sentence refers to your paranoid conspiracy delusion about C.S. and weapons systems, i'll simply note that, as it happens, i spent three years in the United States Army Medical Corps. We didn't shoot people.

So you use an injection needle in your basic training, rather than a dummy or a real gun?

You should talk about assaulting ones, thats what you are trying to do all the time, not only me but others too!!! you will not be successfull.

I've already succeeded to a marvelous degree. No one injected anyone in basic training. At the Medical Training Center, we practiced injections on one another. At the Medical Field Service School, no one injected anyone else.

It seems to me now that you assume that i am a Jehovah's Witness. That is a false assumption on your part. However, it would be consonant with your apparent fanatical hatred that you have come here attempting to pick a fight with JWs. As always, though, your ineptitude in the use of the English language is hilarious, and i thank you for the free entertainment.

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T&T, Set and I are alike only in our unwillingness to suffer fools.

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I am still waiting for one of them to assume the lectern and instruct us in the way of the truth.

So, once again T&T, you have spent much time telling us what is false; please tell us what is true.

Neo haven't you been listening, you quote, among others, from the Watchtower magazine that a blood transfusion was feeding at blood. Are you still convinced that this is true?

I think I can speak for Tele also. As long as we follow the Bible and looks at the head of our faith, Jesus Christ examples , we are not long away from the Jehovah. But do we really follow Jesus Christ, when we look of what he said in Matthew 12:7-20

King James.

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

and in 12:1-15

12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:

12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

PS. I have to make a denial of your speculations that I am "Propmin"!

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I've already succeeded to a marvelous degree. No one injected anyone in basic training. At the Medical Training Center, we practiced injections on one another. At the Medical Field Service School, no one injected anyone else.

Its my pleasure to amuse you!

Will you pls. answer, have you never been trained to use a weapen when you attend the United States military forces?

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