woiyo wrote:Setanta wrote:woiyo wrote:Miller wrote:woiyo wrote:MarionT wrote:One of the main reasons why there are so many more Blacks in prison than Whites is that they cannot afford high quality legal professionals to help them go free.
WHAT?????
Those who can't afford high quality lawyers, must resort to using either public defense lawyers or
even worse
, 3rd year law students.
Yep, more excuses. If you are guilty, no lawyer can help
So then, we can assume that you consider O. J. Simpson to have been innocent, since if he had been guilty, Jonnie Cochran would not have been able to help him--according to your thesis.
Not exactly. The States attornies blew that case.
So then, you acknowledge that when you wrote: "If you are guilty, no lawyer can help."--you were actually just making **** up, venting your spleen, as it were, and that such issues are considerably more complex than your simplistic ranting suggests?
Thanks, darlin' . . . my, you're looking particularly enticing today . . .
Why, thank you. It's just about time to put the sun bonnet away for another season.
Anybody who thinks that Black people have the same access to good quality defense when they are tried in court does not know very much about law and is probably a racist.
Why would that probably make them a racist? Perhaps they're just ill-informed. Or just plain stupid.
It's not just black people that don't have the same access to good quality defense (and by saying that, you are trashing all legal aid lawyers), it's the entire underprivileged sector of society, whites included. There are many non-black immigrants in the U.S. who fall into this category, are there not?
Are you fixated on blacks for some reason? Are you black?
Why are so many Blacks in jail? Because they are more evil than other races? They are there because they do not have the money to hire good lawyers to defend them. Of course there are poor whites that go to jail because they too do not have money, but if you look at the racial makeup of jail population in this country you will find that the major group is black. This is not because blacks are more evil than anyone else. It is because they usually cannot afford a defense.
I would be that if you a black population living west of Main Street in a blue collar neighbourhood where money was tight but not poverty-stricken, and a white population on the east side where they were poverty-stricken, you'd have more drinking, drugs, whoring, fights, and crime...you'd find more whites in jail.
It's not just about money for lawyers; it's socio-economic. It's a whole lifestyle; the old vicious circle... mama's mama's mama was on welfare, mama's mama was on welfare, mama was on welfare, what are the odds that daughter will be on welfare? Dad's dad used to hit everyone in the family, dad hit everyone in the family, what are the odds son will hit everyone in the family?
Not everyone follows in those footsteps, but a great majority do. It's hard to climb out of a pit, mentally and physically.
It's virtually impossible if you don't have any decent role models in your daily life.
And no one to encourage you and believe in you.
True. Nobody can do it alone.
Mame wrote:I would be that if you a black population living west of Main Street in a blue collar neighbourhood where money was tight but not poverty-stricken, and a white population on the east side where they were poverty-stricken, you'd have more drinking, drugs, whoring, fights, and crime...you'd find more whites in jail.
Maybe in Utopia or BC but here in the good ol US of A, the scenario you've painted, as cut and dried as it may seem, is STILL open for debate.
Mame wrote: There are many non-black immigrants in the U.S. who fall into this category, are there not?
But, they're not in jail in numbers totally disproportionate to their numbers in the General Population.
eoe wrote:Mame wrote:I would be that if you a black population living west of Main Street in a blue collar neighbourhood where money was tight but not poverty-stricken, and a white population on the east side where they were poverty-stricken, you'd have more drinking, drugs, whoring, fights, and crime...you'd find more whites in jail.
Maybe in Utopia or BC but here in the good ol US of A, the scenario you've painted, as cut and dried as it may seem, is STILL open for debate.
I'm truly sorry to hear that.
Miller wrote:Mame wrote: There are many non-black immigrants in the U.S. who fall into this category, are there not?
But, they're not in jail in numbers totally disproportionate to their numbers in the General Population.
In Canada, to our shame, it is the native population that meets the definition of "in jail in numbers totally disproportionate to their numbers in the General Population".
Discrimination doesn't look any better on this side of the border.
That's certainly true - at one time, anyway.
30 years ago 75% of the prison population were native.
I haven't read any studies lately to update those numbers.
Just googled and found:
STATISTICS FOR 2003-2004
Adult Prison Population and Costs
Incarceration rates
130 per 100,000 adult population.
While the incarceration rate is dropping, the number of Aboriginal prisoners and women in prison continues to increase.
http://www.prisonjustice.ca/politics/facts_stats.html
I can't remember the figures exactly but there are 10 blacks in jail to every white. Blacks are only 15% of the population at most. To say that is socio-economic is stupid. Blacks are discriminated against officially and do not have access to good lawyers. Otherwise, why would there be such differences in incarceration?
It's too simplistic to say it's JUST racism. Give your head a shake.
Nothing is ever JUST anything. But anyone who does not know that racism is the major factor in the jailing of thousands of blacks, who, if they were white, would never be jailed but would receive a slap on the wrist has not lived in the USA. Conyers and Rangel, who will become chairmen of the important committees, Judiciary and Ways and Means, when the Democrats retake the House in November, will work to cure that idiocy for sure.
