Israel Drops White Phosphorus Bombs On Children

Yes, that's true. Bombing a school bus destroys, at the most, several dozen people. Indiscriminately bombing the infrastructure of Gaza endangers hundreds immediately, and the entire one million residents over time--and over a damned short period to time, to boot.

You are willfully blind, Brandon. You only intend to see one side, and that's it. I am capable of condemning the bombing of school buses, and the bombing of an entire city's infrastructure at the same time. You, apparently, don't give a rat's ass about Palestinians, but are horrified at the deaths of Israelis.

the stated agenda of the zionists was "kill the men and rape the women and destroy the culture"

Setanta wrote:

Paasky, we have to be fair to Brandon, just as we do for all handi-capped people--he has a point. It is entirely possible that, in broad daylight, an Israeli pilot mistook the ambulance for a busload of Palestinian suicide bombers on their way to work, cleverly disguised as school children.

Set, I know that Brandon and a number of others on this thread will not change their black and white world view just because we present them with facts that do not agree with that view. However, there might be others visiting this thread for whom it is not to late and to whom we may teach that there are always two sides to an issue and that one must be able to understand the position and thinking of both in order to understand the matter at hand and conclude that the Israeli invasion and their "accidental" attack on civilian targets as well as deliberate attacks on civilian infrastructure, will only compound and worsen the situation. Hezbollah comes out of this a winner. The state of Lebanon is weakened by the damage to their economy and the cost of rebuilding bridges, airports and utilities plants and networks. Hezbollah will be dealing out (Iranian) cash and offering housing, schooling and medical care to the homeless victims of the Israeli Blitz and thus win more hearts and souls. The only gain for Israel as far as I can see is a temporary weakening of the military power of Hezbollah (which might have been achieved by peaceful means, if they had stuck to peace accords, strengthened the state of Lebanon and involved the International Community earlier), plus the fact that the attention has been temporarily diverted from the Palestinian situation and the civil war in Iraq. You know it, I know it, others may also come to that conclusion.

Separately, figures compiled by the Israeli human rights watchdog B'tselem showed the army killed 163 Palestinians in Gaza in July, 78 of whom were not involved in hostilities.

When the offensive was launched, Israeli warplanes bombed and partly destroyed Gaza's only power plant and also hit several bridges. The flow of gasoline, food and other essential supplies into the strip was also repeatedly interrupted.

The capacity of the Beit Lahia waste water treatment plant (northern Gaza Strip) has reached a critical point and sewage ponds threaten to flood nearby populated areas.

Israeli warplanes fired at least nine missiles at Gaza's only power station, cutting electricity to 65 percent of the Gaza Strip, engineers at the station said. The station's three functioning turbines and a gasoline reservoir were engulfed in flames, raising the specter of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, where water pumps are powered by electricity.

The Israeli military said in a statement that three bridges were attacked "to impair the ability of the terrorists to transfer the kidnapped soldier," Cpl. Gilad Shalit, 19. Knocking down the bridges cut Gaza in two, Palestinian security officials said.

Witnesses reported heavy artillery shelling near the long-closed Gaza airport into a village east of Rafah, and warplanes also flew low over Gaza City, rocking the city with sonic booms and shattering windows.

Troops in Israel backed up the assault, firing artillery into Gaza.

"We won't hesitate to carry out extreme action to bring Gilad back to his family," Olmert said. "All the military activity that started overnight will continue in the coming days."

WASHINGTON -- The Palestinian power plant bombed by Israeli forces Tuesday is insured by a US government agency, and US officials say they expect American funds to be used to pay for the damage.

The destruction of the 140-megawatt reactor, the only one in the Gaza Strip, threatens to create a humanitarian disaster because the plant supplies electricity to two-thirds of Gaza's 1.3 million residents and operates pumps that provide water supplies.

the stated agenda of the zionists was "kill the men and rape the women and destroy the culture"

You're an apologist for baby killers, and that's not an exaggeration.

You're an apologist for people who have deliberately committed crimes against humanity, over, and over, and over for decades.

Firebombing school children. Firebombing school children.

It doesn't matter what the IDF targets, Set. As long as it's not a schoolbus of children, in Brandon's eyes they are excused. I just hope none of those Palestinian terrorists ever thinks up the idea to start headquarters inside a grade school because if Israel bombed that, it might challenge his beliefs.
His arguments remain the same. He wants us to prevent proof that can never be found. He wants us to find a statement where Israel admits to deliberately targetting non-combattants, because, in his worldview, only such an admission would put their actions on par with those of the terrorists. The quantity of victims is not an issue to Brandon. The death of 1 school child deliberately targetted by a Palestinian terrorist apparently outweighs the 'accidental' because not deliberately targetted, death of 1000 Palestinian civilians in a bombing attack.
When the motive is pure, the deaths are justifiable. Sounds like the makings of a zealot to me.

...Is your needle stuck? Is that really the worst crime that Palestinian terrorists have ever committed? It kind of pales in comparison to deliberately bombing a UN compound full of refugees (and saying it was an accident).

Paaskynen wrote:

...Is your needle stuck? Is that really the worst crime that Palestinian terrorists have ever committed? It kind of pales in comparison to deliberately bombing a UN compound full of refugees (and saying it was an accident).

Please provide some bit of evidence that the Israelis intended to bomb UN refugees. I can sure prove that the Palestinians deliberately put a bomb on a school bus - the act of monsters.

oralloy wrote:

Paaskynen wrote:

Being against the actions of the state of Israel does not equal being anti-Jewish, just as being opposed to the politics of the Bush administration does not make one anti-American.

That may be so for some people. But there are anti-Semites who vent their anti-Semitism by making outrageous accusations against Israel, and then try to pretend that they are not anti-Semitic because "they criticized Israel instead of criticizing Jews".

Such attempts at covert racism should be denounced.

And I guess you are the one to decide what constitutes anti-semitism and what doesn't?

If someone incorrectly claims that Israel has used weapons of mass destruction against Lebanon. Then that person is simply wrong, mistaken, or misinformed

It does not make one an anti-semite and calling it that turns the argument into namecalling, which does nothing to prove your point (but quite the contrary, it makes your position weaker, because you appear to have no evidence to back up your position).

oralloy wrote:

Paaskynen wrote:

The cry of "anti-semitism" as soon as anybody criticises anything remotely related to Israel, devalues the term into a powerless epithet, an ad hominem attack that people use in order to avoid arguing the case at hand.

Who cries anti-Semitism in the face of any criticism of Israel?

Your response here is a retorical question, as you very well know. (What you mean to say is that you do not cry anti-semitism in the face of criticism of Israel. Your reaction thus shows that you feel addressed by the statement and take it personally.)

Furthermore, I point out that rust forms when iron reacts with oxygen, reaction with oxygen is known as burning, burning occurs especially at high temperatures like those caused by an explosion (Have you never seen a burnt vehicle before?)

Paaskynen wrote:

Furthermore, I point out that rust forms when iron reacts with oxygen, reaction with oxygen is known as burning, burning occurs especially at high temperatures like those caused by an explosion (Have you never seen a burnt vehicle before?)

Rust is a very slow reaction. You can't just set a fire and get rust.

But what you can get with a good fire is most of the paint burnt off the vehicle.

There still seemed to be a lot of paint on the ambulance, though the paint was showing its age.

You asked for links Brandon, very likely as a dodge. You were provided the links, and you haven't commented.

Setanta wrote:

You asked for links Brandon, very likely as a dodge. You were provided the links, and you haven't commented.

BUMP

HEY BRANDON, I PROVIDED THE LINKS YOU ASKED FOR.