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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 02:25 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Well said Ican.

I had to stop dead in my tracks knowing nothing good could come from reading further.
Laughing

nice map pretty colours
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 03:59 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
From a comment in today's Chicago Tribune (page 11, When it comes to facts in the Middle East, there is no middle ground

Quote:
[...]
Readers often are upset at the messenger and say they want a "balanced" report. But, in truth, is it really balance that they seek?

A science report in The Washington Post two weeks ago noted that partisans in a conflict "don't just arrive at different conclusions; they see entirely different worlds."

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Researchers took television news clips from the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon and showed them to 144 people, split between pro-Arab and pro-Israel supporters.

The pro-Arab viewers heard 42 references they thought were favorable to Israel and 26 that were unfavorable. The pro-Israel viewers, looking at the same video, noted only 16 references favorable to Israel and 57 that they saw as negative.

Post reporter Shankar Vedantam wrote that researchers have called the phenomenon "hostile media effect" to describe how partisans perceive media reports as biased against their side. The more knowledgable about the subject, the more they see bias.

Trying to achieve balance, of course, is not a simple 50-50 equation. And it is a cop-out to worry about criticism and attempt to present everything as equal or "morally equivalent."

How do you measure suffering? Should it be by the numbers of civilians killed or wounded? Should warring parties be viewed as winning or losing by the numbers of rockets launched or bombs dropped?

There are many facts in the Middle East. But the hatred and suspicion is so ingrained that any report is viewed through a prism of: "Does it provide any comfort to my enemy?" And if the answer is yes, then the report and the facts it uses must be wrong.
In the last week, some commentators have suggested that the Qana bombing was staged, something that neither the Israeli government nor any other reputable witness has claimed.

Human Rights Watch, an organization that has criticized both Israel and Hezbollah for indiscriminate targeting of civilian areas, did its own report on the Qana bombing and suggested the number of dead is less than first reported. No one has, or I suspect ever will, come up with a definitive number. The incident will join thousands of others in the mythology of both sides.

(emphasis added)


Thankyou Walter. Wonderful piece.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 04:11 pm
About the confusion of the reported 40 to one: It was simply an honest mistake and quickly amended as the PM found out.

Quote:
Israeli air strikes killed at least 29 Lebanese people today and Israel said it may expand its ground offensive.

Meanwhile, confusion surrounded an Israeli air strike in southern Lebanon. The Lebanese prime minister, Fouad Siniora, said that 40 people died in the attack before revising the death toll to just one.

It appeared that most of those believed dead had survived in a bunker.

Tonight, an Israeli strike hit a crowded area in Beirut's southern suburb, destroying a residential building and killing five, police said.

The Lebanese army called up reserve soldiers in a move apparently linked to a possible deployment of about 15,000 troops on the border with Israel to end nearly four weeks of fighting between Hizbullah guerrillas and Israeli forces.

Mr Siniora has proposed that Lebanese troops deploy in the south quickly, with the backing of a beefed-up UN force, so that the Israeli military can withdraw as part of any cease-fire deal.

Israel said it may expand its ground offensive, and a military source said the army had warned residents of south Lebanon to stay indoors after 10pm (2000 BST) on Monday. The Israeli cabinet were expected to make a decision later tonight on sending more troops into Lebanon.

The hostilities continued as diplomats at the UN in New York tried to win agreement over a resolution drafted by the US and France, which Lebanon and key Arab states rejected last night.

Israeli warplanes hit the Hizbullah-controlled southern suburbs of Beirut, eastern regions around the Bekaa Valley city of Baalbek and other targets in the south of the country.

There was also heavy fighting between Israeli ground troops and Hizbullah guerrillas in the south, about three miles (five kilometres) west of the northern Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona.

The Israeli defence minister, Amir Peretz, said the ground offensive would be expanded if there was no diplomatic solution soon.

Earlier today, Mr Siniora told a meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Beirut that an Israeli air strike in the southern village of Houla had "resulted in more than 40 martyrs".

But most of those feared killed were later found alive in a bunker. Local television stations reported that rescuers pulled out 65 survivors, including 35 children, from under the rubble.

Speaking later, Mr Siniora said: "It turned out that there was one person killed. They thought that the whole building smashed on the head of about 40 people and it turned out, thank God because we are not happy if someone is killed, they have been saved."


Houla is inside the proposed southern Lebanese security zone.

Other Israeli air attacks today targeted the last remaining crossing on the Litani river between Sidon and Tyre, cutting the main artery for aid supplies to civilians in the south, Reuters reported. Aid groups said Israel was paralysing aid delivery.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, yesterday warned that she expected fighting to continue once the text of the draft resolution was formally adopted. Speaking today in Crawford, Texas, the US president, George Bush, said he recognised that there were still divisions over the resolution but called for it to be adopted as quickly as possible. "We all recognise the violence must stop," Mr Bush said.

Hizbullah guerrillas fired more rockets into northern Israel, wounding one person.

Yesterday was the deadliest day of Hizbullah rocket attacks since the conflict began on July 12, with 15 Israelis - including 12 reservist soldiers - killed.

At least 19 Lebanese civilians died in Israeli air attacks yesterday, and the Lebanese health minister, Mohammad Khalifeh, today told Reuters that 925 people had so far been killed in the conflict, one third of them aged under 13. Another 75 are missing, presumed dead.

More than 90 Israelis, most of them soldiers, have been killed, with 48 dying in Hizbullah rocket attacks.

Arab foreign ministers who met with Mr Siniora in Beirut today warned the UN Security Council against adopting resolutions that do not serve Lebanon's interests. The top Arab diplomats said they had decided to send a delegation to New York to press Lebanon's case.

The ministers warned of "the consequences of adopting resolutions that are not applicable and complicate the situation on the ground and do not take Lebanon's interest and stability into account".

Arab leaders are considering holding an emergency summit on Lebanon in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, later this week.

Israel expects the UN security council to pass a resolution calling for the end of Israeli operations, but leaving the door open for air strikes on Hizbullah arms convoys and rocket launchers, this week.

The Lebanese government wants the UN draft resolution to call for the immediate withdrawal of around 10,000 Israeli troops from south Lebanon.

However, Israel wants to keep the troops there until an international stabilisation force, probably led by the France, moves in.

Iran's foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, criticised the draft resolution, dismissing it as "another operation against the Lebanese nation", the Associated Press reported.


source
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 04:36 pm
John Bolton: Dead Lebanese worth less than dead Israelis http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/7/113732/7369
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 05:05 pm
Looks to me like he said it was 'implied' by Bolton.

Bolton is never quoted as saying what the bogus article title claims.

Do you have a legit actual quote?
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 05:07 pm
The Jews in the media are falling all over themselves in their attacks on Mel Gibson and his supposedly "anti-semitic" rant but was Mel Gibson wrong if he actually did say that the jews are responsible for all the wars in the world? Let's see:

1) War in Afghanistan. US invades becasue they allege that bin laden carried out the 911 attacks and that he was hiding out there. According to bin laden himself one of the main reasons he is against the US is becasue of its support for israel and its barbaric treatment of the Palestinian people.
So, YES, the jews are responsible for this war.

2) War in Iraq. US claims that Iraq was developing WMDs and supported suicide bombers in israel. Well, if they ever got WMDs they might be a threat to israel but not much of a threat to the US, and they did support suicide bombers against israel but never against the US so
YES, the jews are responsible for this war.

3) War in Lebanon. the jews have stolen the land that is the state of israel and they keep right on stealing more and more land. Quite naturally, the folks who had their land stolen are not happy about that so the jews kill them. YES the jews are responsible for this war too.

4) War in Chechnya. Jews support Chechnyan rebels against Russia because Russia has taken justified action against the jew oligarchs who stole the wealth of Russia. The Russians have also re-taken control of the media there so the jews cannot continue to brainwash and lie to the Russian people. The Russians also want to maintain control that region because of its huge oil reserves. The jews are not happy about any of this so they support the rebels against Russia. Chalk another one up-YES, the jews are responsible for this one too.

Hmmmn...looks like Mel wasn't so drunk after all.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 05:38 pm
What about the second Punic war, fruitcake? HOw'd the Jews start that one??
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 05:39 pm
http://www.classic-fruitcake.com/mainpagepic_copy.jpg
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:06 pm
Israel is trying to survive.

Iran/Syria/Lebanon/Hezbollah/Hamas's/al-Qaeda leaders are trying to prevent Israel from surviving.

Solution: Prevent Iran/Syria/Lebanon/Hezbollah/Hamas/al-Qaeda leaders from survivingl.

Sooner better than later.

Piece of cake? No! Peace of Cake! Yes!
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:30 pm
freedom4free, Mel was very drunk. I dont know what his Daddy's excuse is.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:39 pm
Brand, seems to me Bolton is implying the Bushie Doctrine. Do what you're told or you're with the terrorists.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:42 pm
Mel Gibson's entire experience of dealing with Jews almost certainly consists of dealing with the superlosers who run Hollywood. That would give anybody a case of the ass against Jews. Most normal Jews are not like that.

A better response than getting drunk and running off at the mouth against Jews in general is Quentin Tarantino's basic statement of his opinion of Hollywood, and of the typical hollywood actor and director, which you find in the final scenes of "True Romance".

Anybody who hasn't seen that one has really missed something.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 07:47 pm
The following ia a major kind of statement by fifty two active and retired general officers of the United States Military:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1679579/posts

Why Israel is Doing the Right Thing--A Statement by US Military Leaders[/size]

Why Israel Is Doing

The Right Thing

_________________________________________
A Statement by US Military Leaders



We, the undersigned, believe that Israel's military operation to remove Hezbollah from southern Lebanon is a correct and legitimate response to the creation of an armed force accountable to Syria and Iran residing within the boundaries of Lebanon and using Lebanese territory to engage in cross-border warfare. Israel voluntarily withdrew completely from Lebanese territory in 2000 under the terms of UN Resolution 1559, but the Government of Lebanon was unable or unwilling to assert its sovereignty in the area Israel vacated.

We believe further that the IDF has taken care to focus its response so as to minimize civilian casualties among the Lebanese, even as Hezbollah indiscriminately rockets Israeli towns and cities. It has become increasingly clear that Hezbollah took advantage of Lebanon's weakness to hide its forces and its weapons in the south of Lebanon and its command and control capabilities in Beirut, within the civilian population. This ensured that any Israeli response would create civilian casualties that would dominate the international media.

The relatively few Israeli casualties in the face of widespread rocket and missiles attacks appear to be the result of an active civil defense system in Israel, not humanitarian concern by Hezbollah.

We have traveled to Israel over the years with The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). We brought with us our decades of military experience and came away with the unswerving belief that the security of the State of Israel is a matter of great importance to U.S. policy in the Middle East and Eastern Mediterranean. A strong Israel is an asset upon which American military planners and political leaders can rely. Israel shares our commitment to democracy, freedom, personal liberty and rule of law.

As American defense professionals, we view events in the Middle East through the prism of American security interests, in which regard we make two points:

First, the problem of militias and non-state actors operating in sovereign country is precisely the same as that faced by American and coalition forces in Iraq. The militias and foreign fighters facing our troops are also supported by Iran and Syria.

Second, we have a particular interest in the demise of Hezbollah. Until September 11, 2001, Hezbollah was the terrorist organization responsible for more American deaths than any other, including 241 American servicemen in the Beirut barracks bombing and 17 Americans in the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. We have not forgotten William Buckley, Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem and Lt. Col. William (Rich) Higgins, USMC.

We believe strongly that any cease-fire must be accompanied by a determined international military effort to assist Lebanon in rooting out the armed remnants of Hezbollah and ensuring that the Lebanese Army is the controlling armed force in the south. Anything less would be a prescription for renewed fighting at the time of Hezbollah's choosing.

Throughout our travels and our talks, the determination of Israelis to protect their country and to pursue a fair and workable peace with their neighbors was clear. Thus, we view the current conflict in and around Israel with great dismay. America's responsibility as a friend to Israel - and to Lebanon - should strengthen our country's resolve to assist and support Israel in its efforts to dislodge Hezbollah's military capabilities from southern Lebanon and work with the international community to ensure that the Lebanese Army is deployed to the international border in a manner that protects both countries.


(Signed as of 04 August 2006)



1. RADM Fred Ames, USCG (ret.) - Assistant Commandant for Human Resources

2. LTG Marcus A. Anderson, USAF (ret.) - Inspector General, HQ USAF

3. Max Baratz, USAR (ret.) - Chief of the Army Reserve

4. LTG Julius W. Becton, Jr. USA (ret.) - Commander VII Corps

5. RADM Charles Beers, USN (ret.) - Commander, Submarine Group Ten

6. GEN William Begert, USAF (ret.) - Commander, Pacific Air Forces, and Air Component Commander for the Commander, U.S. Pacific Command

7. LTG Walter E. (Buck) Buchanan III, USAF (ret.) - Commander, 9th Air Force and U.S. Central Command Air Forces

8. LTG Anthony Burshnick, USAF (ret.) - Vice Commander-in-Chief, Military Airlift Command

9. LTG Paul Cerjan, USA (ret.) - Deputy Allied Commander, Europe

10. GEN J.B. Davis, USAF (ret.) - Chief of Staff, Supreme Headquarters, Allied Powers Europe (NATO)

11. LTG Joseph DeFrancisco, USA (ret.) - Deputy Commander in Chief and Chief of Staff, U.S. Pacific Command

12. ADM Leon Edney, USN (ret.) - Commander in Chief, Allied Forces NATO

13. MG Bobby O. Floyd, USAF (ret.) - Director of Logistics, Air Mobility Command

14. GEN John Foss, USA (ret.) - Commanding General, Training and Doctrine Command

15. MG Paul Fratarangelo, USMC (ret.)

16. MG David Grange, USA (ret.) - Commander, Task Force Eagle (Bosnia) and Task Force, Kosovo.

17. LTG Tom Griffin, USA (ret.) - Chief of Staff, Allied Forces Southern Europe

18. LTG Earl Hailston, USMC (ret.) - Commander, U.S. Marine Corps Forces Pacific/Commander, U.S. Marine Corps Forces Central Command/ Commanding General, Fleet Marine Force, Pacific/Commander, U.S. Marine Corps Bases, Pacific

19. LTG John Hall, USAF (ret.) - Commander of U.S. Forces, Japan and Commander, 5th Air Force

20. ADM Jerome Johnson, USN (ret.) -Vice Chief of Naval Operations

21. VADM Bernard Kauderer, USN (ret.) - Commander, U.S. Submarine Forces

22. VADM Anthony Less, USN (ret.) - Commander, Naval Air Forces, U.S. Atlantic Fleet

23. RADM Frederick L. Lewis, USN (ret.) - Commander, Naval Doctrine Command

24. LTG Donald M. Lionetti, USA (ret) - Commander, U.S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command

25. MG Jarvis Lynch, USMC (ret.) - Commander, Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island and the Eastern Recruiting Region

26. GEN Gregory S. Martin, USAF (ret.) - Commander, Air Force Materiel Command

27. LTG Charles May, Jr., USAF (ret.) - Assistant Vice Chief of Staff, USAF

28. VADM Paul McCarthy, USN (ret.) - Commander, U.S. Seventh Fleet

29. MG James C. McCombs, USAF (ret.) - Deputy Commander in Chief, U.S. Special Operations Command

30. LTG Fred McCorkle, USMC (ret.) - Deputy Commandant for Aviation MG

31. RADM William F. Merlin, USCG (ret.) - Commander Eighth Coast Guard District

32. RADM Riley Mixson, USN (ret.) - Director of Air Warfare

33. MG William C. Moore, USA (ret.) - Director of Operations & Plans

34. LTG Carol Mutter, USMC (ret.) - Deputy Commandant for Manpower and Reserve Affairs

35. LTG Tad Oelstrom, USAF (ret.) - Superintendent, U.S. Air Force Academy

36. LTG Garry Parks, USMC (ret.) - Deputy Commandant for Manpower and Reserve Affairs

37. MG Robert Patterson, USAF (ret.) - Commander, Special Operations Command & Commanding General 23rd Air Force

38. VADM James Perkins, USN (ret.) - Commander, Military Sealift Command

39. LTG Charles H. Pitman, USMC (ret.) - Deputy Chief of Staff for Aviation, HQMC

40. RADM Richard Rybacki, USCG (ret.) - Commander, First Coast Guard District

41. GEN Crosbie Saint, USA (ret.) - Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army

42. RADM Norman Saunders, USCG (ret.) - Commander, 7th Coast Guard District

43. MG Sidney Shachnow, USA (ret.) - Commanding General, JFK Special Warfare Center and School at Ft. Bragg

44. GEN Lawrence Skantze, USAF (ret.) - Vice Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force

45. LTG Bob Springer, USAF, (ret.) -Vice Commander in Chief, Military Airlift Command

46. GEN Donn A. Starry, USA (ret.) - Commanding General, U.S. Army Readiness Command

47. MG Larry Taylor, USMCR (ret.) - Commanding General, 4th Marine Aircraft Wing

48. LTG Lansford E. Trapp Jr, USAF (ret.) - Vice Commander, Pacific Air Forces

49. ADM Jerome Tuttle, USN (ret.) - Director, Space & Electronic Warfare

50. GEN Louis C. Wagner, Jr., USA(ret.) - Commander, U.S. Army Materiel Command

51. RADM George R. Worthington, USN (ret.) - Commander Naval Special Warfare Command and Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations

52. RADM Guy Zeller, USN (ret.) - Commander Cruiser Destroyer Group Three/Commander Battle Group Foxtrot

* Last assignment of all persons listed noted for purposes of identification only.



The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
1779 Massachusetts Ave., NW, Suite 515

Washington, D.C. 20036
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 08:18 pm
It's good to know that some people get it.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 08:27 pm
"It's good to know that some people get it." Yeah the same ones got it in Iraq.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 08:36 pm
White House Wants A Wider Mid-East War

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted August 7, 2006.

George W. Bush and his neoconservative advisers saw the Israel-Hezbollah conflict as a chance to get the Israelis to spread the war to Syria and achieve the long-sought goal of 'regime change' in Damascus.
George W. Bush and his neoconservative advisers saw the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah as an opportunity to expand the conflict into Syria and possibly achieve a long-sought "regime change" in Damascus, but Israel's leadership balked at the scheme, according to Israeli sources.

One Israeli source said Bush's interest in spreading the war to Syria was considered "nuts" by some senior Israeli officials, although Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has generally shared Bush's hard-line strategy against Islamic militants.

After rebuffing Bush's suggestion about attacking Syria, the Israeli government settled on a strategy of mounting a major assault in southern Lebanon aimed at rooting out Hezbollah guerrillas who have been firing Katyusha rockets into northern Israel.

In an article on July 30, the Jerusalem Post hinted at the Israeli rejection of Bush's suggestion of a wider war in Syria. "Defense officials told the Post last week that they were receiving indications from the US that America would be interested in seeing Israel attack Syria," the newspaper reported.

On July 18, Consortiumnews.com reported that the Israel-Lebanon conflict had revived the Bush administration's neoconservative hopes that a new path had opened "to achieve a prized goal that otherwise appeared to be blocked for them -- military assaults on Syria and Iran aimed at crippling those governments."

The article went on to say:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/39981/
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2006 09:59 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
White House Wants A Wider Mid-East War...


Works for me. The regimes in Syria and Iran positively need to be taken down.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 04:41 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
SierraSong wrote:
I believe nothing coming out of Lebanon. Hezbollah uses staging tactics and manipulates what reporters are allowed to divulge.


You mean those live videos on tv are fake as well?


If Hezbollah dictated what could and could not be videographed, they very well could be something quite different than the accurate story.


How do you know that Hezbollah has the power to control all the journalists in Lebanon? I've said before that I believe that both sides are trying to use the media. But if you are so concerned about the news coming out of Lebanon, why not look at the situation in Israel?

Quote:
Israel - Annual report 2006

The Israeli media were once again in 2005 the only ones in the region that had genuine freedom to speak out. But the government did not allow such freedom in the Palestinian territories it occupies. Israeli soldiers discriminated against Arab journalists and abuses against them, whether they worked for local media or pan-Arab TV stations such as Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, increased during the year. The Israeli army hounded, threatened, summoned and arrested them, sometimes without subsequent trial.
Awad Rajoub, a Palestinian journalist with Al-Jazeera's website, was arrested on 30 November and was still being held at the start of 2006. The army said his arrest at home in Doura had nothing to do with him being a journalist. A dozen journalists, nearly all Israeli Arabs, were summoned and interrogated about their work and political views by the Israeli intelligence service, Shabak, which suspected them of having links with the Lebanese Hezbollah movement.
Nabil al-Mazzawi, an Al-Jazeera cameraman on the West Bank, was beaten on 4 November by Israeli soldiers and held for several hours after he filmed a demonstration against the wall separating Israel and the Occupied Territories. Majdi al-Arabid, cameraman for the Israeli TV stations Channel 10, was wounded in the stomach and the leg by gunfire as he filmed Israeli troops entering Beit Hanoun, north of Gaza.
French journalist Houda Ibrahim, of the radio station RMC Moyen-Orient, who had been sent by the French government to train Palestinian journalists, was refused entry to the West Bank from Jordan on 3 July.


from the Reporters without Borders website

That's of course limited to the situation within Israel, and doesn't mention the censorship the Israeli military imposed on any reporting about the current conflict.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 04:43 am
And, from the same website, the report on Lebanon before the current crisis:

Quote:
Lebanon - Annual report 2006

2005 was a sombre year for the media in Lebanon, which has long had the best record for press freedom in the Arab world, and the country's journalists paid a very heavy price for the uncertainty and lawlessness since the 14 February assassination of former prime minister Rafik Hariri. Samir Kassir, columnist with the Arab daily An-Nahar and local correspondent for the French TV station TV5, was killed by a car-bomb on 2 June and Gebran Tueni, an MP and managing editor of the paper, was killed by another on 12 December. May Chidiac, star presenter of the TV station LBC, was also targeted for assassination by a bomb placed under the seat of her car and was seriously wounded and mutilated. Lebanese journalists remain under pressure and live in fear, some of them fleeing abroad, as they await the definitive report of the United Nations enquiry into the Hariri murder, expected in June 2006.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 05:26 am
Two more doctored photographic images

http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/%7Eaaron/images/screenshots/whatever-med.jpg

http://users.bestweb.net/~bgeiger/images/kerry_fonda_fake.jpg
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