ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

This SHOULD be obvious enough...

GIVEN the lengths to which the Iranians and Syrians are willing to go to try to resupply the hezbullies with rockets and missiles to kill innocent Israeli citrizens with and the absolute imperative which the IDF has to prevent such traffic, I would NOT be loading a covered truck with watermelons and turnips close to the Syria/Lebanon border right now.

That's basically going after a Darwin award.

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This SHOULD be obvious enough: it's the only way -especially, since ports/harbours have been "closed" before - to cut off the supply by charity convoys ....

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Then for God's sake do not use covered or enclosed trucks, use flatbed trucks, and do something to make it easy for a pilot moving at 300 mph to ascertain that the truck is in fact loaded with veggies and not rockets or missiles.

Given what the pilot had to deal with in the case you cite, he would have been derelict in his duty NOT to have taken the truck out.

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You are either joking (and that really would be a bad joke) or don't read papers/watch tv/listen radio.

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And it SHOULD be obvious that the Israelis are deliberately trying to provoke Syria and Iran into responding to pull America into the war.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

You are either joking (and that really would be a bad joke) or don't read papers/watch tv/listen radio.

I'll stand with my statement above. The truckdriver, were he able to join the conversation, would probably agree with me. He clearly did not fare terribly well doing as you suggest.

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It is beocming more and more clear that Hezbollah is operating under orders from Syria and Iran. And if Israel doesn't do what it can to ensure that Syria and Iran don't resupply Hezbollah, this could go on forever.

Aug. 4, 2006 21:14 | Updated Aug. 4, 2006 21:20
Iran: We supplied Zelzal-2 to Hizbullah
By JPOST.COM STAFF AND YAAKOV KATZ

Iran admitted for the first time on Friday that it did indeed supply long-range Zelzal-2 missiles to Hizbullah.

Secretary-general of the "Intifada conference" Mohtashami Pur told an Iranian newspaper that Iran transferred the missiles so that they could be used to defend Lebanon, Channel 1 reported.

The extent of Iran's intimate involvement in Hizbullah attacks is starting to emerge.

According to the defense establishment, the reason Hizbullah has not fired long-range Iranian-made Fajr missiles at Israel is due to Teheran's opposition. Israel now understands that without direct orders from the ayatollahs, Hizbullah is not allowed to use Iranian missiles in attacks against Israel.

The IDF also believes that it seriously damaged the long-range rocket array in the first night of air strikes almost three weeks ago and impaired Hizbullah's ability to fire the rockets.

The longer-range Zelzal missiles, manufactured by Iran and capable of reaching Tel Aviv, have also not been fired at Israel, and the IDF believes this is because it destroyed almost two-thirds of these in the Hizbullah arsenal.
SOURCE

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Israeli air strikes interfering with aid delivery

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EDMOND ROY: Israeli air strikes have killed several civilians in Lebanon, including at least 17 Syrian farm workers on the border in the Bekaa Valley.

The attack came on the day several Hezbollah rockets landed in or near the Israeli city of Hadera, 80 kilometress inside Israel and just 30 kilometres north of Tel Aviv.

This is the furthest Hezbollah rockets have landed inside Israel since the conflict began.

Aid agencies say Israeli air strikes are making it harder to deliver humanitarian supplies to where it is needed.

Our correspondent, Peter Cave has just traveled from the Southern Lebanese city of Tyre into Beirut.

Peter Cave, Israel has continued its deadly air strikes on the border with Syria.

PETER CAVE: The latest air attack hit a group of seasonal workers, mainly Syrians, who were packing fruit and vegetables from a refrigerated container into a refrigerated truck.

They were to be taken across the border into Syria. They were packing on the edge of a farm, which is quite near the border crossing with Syria.

According to eyewitnesses, Israeli aircraft fired four missiles in two different volleys, and they've killed at least 25 people, most of them as I said, Syrians, and injured quite a few others.

They were taken across the border to Syria for treatment.

EDMOND ROY: Are they also going after most of the roads going in and out of Beirut?

PETER CAVE: This attack was part of what has been a campaign today to close off the main northern route to Syria.

They hit early this morning a number of road bridges leading out of Beirut on the main northern highway.

And what they've effectively done is cut off the last remaining aid route, road route from Syria.

EDMOND ROY: What does this mean for aid agencies?

PETER CAVE: It means that there is no longer a safe road route to bring aid into Lebanon. They can bring... boats can get into the harbour, a limited number of Hercules can get into the bombed out airport.

But the major way out for refugees and the way in for aid has now been cut off by these bombing raids.

EDMOND ROY: What's the mood in Beirut like? Presumably prices are going up, fuel supplies are short, food is in short supply and so on.

PETER CAVE: There is still food in Beirut, but petrol is getting scarcer and dearer because they haven't been able to get petrol into the country.

There have been negotiations with the Israelis to let a couple of petrol tankers in to help alleviate that shortage of petrol, but so far the Israelis haven't agreed and the petrol hasn't come in, and yes petrol is running out.

The other thing is that these raids here today, have largely been on Christian villages. The bombing of a bridge in a Christian village, just to the north of Beirut, this bombing over near the Syrian border, yet again, a Christian village.

It's created a great deal of ill feeling, certainly in the Christian community, here on the edge of Beirut, some of whom may even have not been terribly upset by the fact that Hezbollah was getting a caning.

Now they've had their own communities bombed by the Israelis. You're getting some indication from Christian groups here as well that they're getting more enraged by Israel's action, and there have even been threats by some Christian groups to join the fight.

EDMOND ROY: Now You've just driven from Tyre in the south into Beirut. What was the drive like?

PETER CAVE: The road from Tyre to Beirut has been extensively bombed out.

Just about every major bridge along the way is bombed out, which means that, you know, a trip that would have taken perhaps an hour took us the best part of three or four hours as we skirted around bombed out bridges, down backtracks, made our way around huge craters in the road, where Israel has bombed the road out.

And that's an indication of what's happening all over the country. The infrastructure is being shut down.

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It is pretty clear that Syria and Iran care little about the fate of the Lebanese. Any pain suffered by the latter is worth it if Israel is damaged.

Israel is showing the Arabs that those who attack it will suffer considerable pain.

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Advocate wrote:

Israel is showing the Arabs that those who attack it will suffer considerable pain.

but mainly innocent civilians and children.

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Steve, I guess that is true in all wars. Israel, more than its enemies, avoids targeting civilians. However, there is always collateral damage, especially when enemies hide themselves among the civilians. I am curious; what would you have Israel do about its enemies?

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Steve 41oo wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Israel is showing the Arabs that those who attack it will suffer considerable pain.
but mainly innocent civilians and children.

Ever look at ANY of the pictures of German or Japanese cities after the firebomb raids of WW-II?

Any idea how many innocent civilians and children were injured and killed in those raids?

Are you claiming that we should have allowed Hitler and Tojo to simply take over the planet in order to avoid such suffering?

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Did the USA no declare war on Lebanon (or Israel)?

(Or: where the USA looking for two soldiers in Germany?)

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Did the USA no declare war on Lebanon (or Israel)?

(Or: where the USA looking for two soldiers in Germany?)

You are sort of forgetting the thousands of rockets Lebanon is firing into Israel aren't you? The two soldiers was the catalyst for the conflict, yes, but they aren't what has kept it going.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Did the USA no declare war on Lebanon (or Israel)?

(Or: where the USA looking for two soldiers in Germany?)

The US declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on the US after that when they did not need to.

As Ive noted for the benefit of our two or three resident nazis, Hitler basically lost WWII by being stupid, and declaring war on the US unnecessarily was part and parcel of that.

Hitler basically wanted the whole planet, just like the slammonazis do today, and tried to swallow the whole thing in one bite rather than in bitesized pieces. Other than that, hed almost certainly have won.

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And that's the same as what Israel now does with Lebanon, if I understand you correctly.

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All Lebanon has to do to stop this conflict this hour is stop firing rockets, raise the white flag, release the two soldiers, preferably with an apology, and promise no more hostilities.

If they do that and Israel drops one more bomb or fires one more missile, then Isreal would clearly be in the wrong.

Then the UN should decide what is to be done with Hezbollah, not that they've been the slightest effective in dealing with Hezbollah before. We can always hope that something will change, however.

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Foxfyre wrote:

All Lebanon has to do to stop this conflict this hour is stop firing rockets, raise the white flag, release the two soldiers, preferably with an apology, and promise no more hostilities.

So it really is a war against Lebanon in your opinion, too, - opposite to what Israel offiically said?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
All Lebanon has to do to stop this conflict this hour is stop firing rockets, raise the white flag, release the two soldiers, preferably with an apology, and promise no more hostilities.

So it really is a war against Lebanon in your opinion, too, - opposite to what Israel offiically said?

No it's a war against Hezbollah who are apparently controlling Lebanon at this point. But since the Lebanese government is obviously backing Hezbollah at this point, they'll probably have to be the ones to surrender or convince the Hezbollah leader(s) to do so. If the Lebanese govenrment had condemned Hezbollah from the beginning, they would be out of the loop.

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Obviously - when looking at the planned UN-resolution - your government has a different opinion.

(At least according to John Bolton, United States of America Ambassador to the U.N. .)

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