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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 03:13 pm
ARABS VERSUS JEWS
In 1947, the UN recommended that Palestine be divided in two states, one Arab and one Jewish.

After the British gave up their Palestinian mandate in 1948, the Palestinian Jews created their Jewish state. Then the Palestinian Arabs and their allies attempted to conquer Israel. The Palestinian Arabs failed to conquer Israel in 1948 and in subsequent years. Each time the Palestinian Arabs and their allies attempted to conquer Israel, the Israelis succeeded in conquering more of Palestine.

Until such time when the Palestinian Arabs stop trying to conquer Israel, the Israelis will continue trying to conquer more of Palestine.

The best strategy for the Palestinian Arabs is to denounce all efforts of people among them to conquer Israel. Instead they should remove, imprison, or kill all those among them trying to conquer Israel. Then they should begin to negotiate with Israel to regain that part of Palestine originally recommended by the UN to be given to them.

All Palestinian Arabs who do not live in Israel, and who do nothing to stop those among them from trying to conquer Israel, deserve to be conquered by Israel.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 03:20 pm
@ican711nm,
1918 AD: Ottoman governance of Palestine ends.
1918 AD: British Protectorate of Palestine Begins.

1920: 5 Jews killed, 200 wounded in anti-zionist riots in Palestine.
1921: 46 Jews killed, 146 wounded in anti-zionist riots in Palestine.
1929: 133 Jews killed, 339 wounded; 116 Arabs killed, 232 wounded.
1936-1939: 329 Jews killed, 857 wounded; 3,112 Arabs killed, 1,775 wounded; 135 Brits killed, 386 wounded; 110 Arabs hanged, 5,679 jailed.
1947: UN resolution partitions Palestine into a Jewish State and into an Arab State.
1948: Jews declare independence and establish the State of Israel.
1948: War breaks out between Jews defending Israel and Arabs invading Israel.
1948: State of Israel successfully defends itself and additionally conquers a part of Palestine originally granted by the UN to the Arabs.

SOME OF THE TERRORISM OF JEWS BY ARABS
1970: Avivim school bus massacre by Palestinian PLO members, killing nine children, three adults and crippling 19.
1972: Black September kidnaps and kills eleven Israeli Olympic athletes and one German policeman in the Munich Massacre.
1974: Kiryat Shmona massacre at an apartment building by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine members, killing 18 people, nine of whom were children.
1974: Ma'alot massacre at the Ma'alot High School in Northern Israel by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine members: 26 of the hostages were killed, 66 wounded.
1975: In the Savoy Operation PLO gunmen from Lebanon take dozens of hostages at the Tel Aviv Savoy Hotel eventually killing eight hostages and three IDF soldiers, and wounding eleven hostages.
1976: Hijacking of Air France Flight 139 (Tel Aviv-Paris) by Palestinian PFLP and German Revolutionäre Zellen; see Operation Entebbe: four hostages, one Sayeret Matkal soldier and 45 Ugandian soldiers killed.
1978: Members of the Arab Revolutionary Council poison Israeli oranges with mercury, injuring at least twelve people and reducing exports by 40 percent.
1978: Coastal Road massacre: Fatah gunmen killed several tourists and hijack a bus near Haifa; 37 Israelis on the bus are killed.
1984: three killed and nine injured in the bombing of a civilian bus in Ashdod.
1984: 48 people are wounded by a machine gun attack on a crowded shopping mall in Jerusalem.
1986: A bomb place on a bus in the West Bank kills one and severely injures three.
1990: PLF attacks the beaches of Tel Aviv.
1990: PLO attacks the US embassy.
1992: Israeli Embassy bombing by "Islamic Jihad" in Buenos Aires, Argentina--29 killed, 242 injured.
1994: Bombing of Jewish Center in Buenos Aires, Argentina, kills 86 and wounds 300.
1996: A series of four suicide bombings in Israel leave 60 dead and 284 wounded within 10 days.
2001: Israeli infant Shalhevet Pass is fatally shot in the head by a Palestinian sniper in Hebron.
2001: 21 civilians, mostly teenagers from the former Soviet Union, are killed by a Hamas suicide bomber in the Dolphinarium massacre in Tel Aviv, Israel.
2001: A suicide bomber in Jerusalem kills seven and wounds 130 in the Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing; Hamas and Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.
2001: Israeli tourism minister Rehavam Zeevi is assassinated by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
2002: Terrorism against Israel in 2002.
2002: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya, Israel in the Passover massacre.
2002: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa, Israel, in the Matza restaurant massacre.
2002: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a bus in Jerusalem in the Patt junction massacre. The attack kills 19 people and wounds over 74.
2002: Hamas orchestrates the Jerusalem bus 20 massacre. 11 people were killed and over 50 wounded when a suicide bomber detonated on a crowded bus in central Jerusalem.
2003: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 17 people and wounds 53 when he detonates a bomb hidden under his clothing in the Haifa bus 37 massacre.
2003: Jerusalem bus 2 massacre: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a crowded bus carrying mostly Orthodox Jewish Israelis, including many children returning from the Western Wall. 23 people are killed and over 130 wounded.
2003: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 21 and wounds 51 in a Haifa restaurant in the Maxim restaurant massacre.
2004: Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004.
2004: Jerusalem bus 19 massacre: Hamas and Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades orchestrate a suicide bombing on a bus in Jerusalem, Israel killing 11 people and wounding more than 50.
2004: Israeli soldiers arrest Hussam Abdo, a 15 year-old Palestinian boy with explosives strapped to his chest at the Hawara Checkpoint. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades sent Abdo on a suicide mission to bomb the checkpoint.
2004: Pregnant Israeli commuter Tali Hatuel and her four young children are gunned down at close range by militants from the Popular Resistance Committees and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
2005: A suicide bomber in Tel Aviv kills five Israelis and undermines a weeks-old truce between the two sides.
2005: Islamic Jihad takes responsibility for a suicide bombing in Netanya, Israel, which kills five people at a shopping mall.
2005: Jewish settler in an IDF uniform opens fire on a bus in Shfaram, Israel, killing 4 Israeli Arabs and wounding 5.
2005: A Palestinian suicide bomber detonates a bomb near a falafel stand in Hadera, Israel that kills himself and six others. Twenty-six people were also wounded.
2005: A suicide bomb attack kills at least five people in Netanya in north-western Israel.
2006: Qassam rockets fired by Hamas into Israel, especially the cities of Ashkelon and Sderot, injures many citizens.
2006: Palestinian suicide bomber kills himself and four others at Kedumim Junction in the West Bank.
2006: Sami Hammad, a Palestinian suicide bomber, detonates an explosive device in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing eleven people and injuring 70.
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THERE HAVE BEEN MANY MORE INCIDENTS OF ARABS KILLING JEWS--see link
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 03:32 pm
@Foofie,
This has nothing to do with "Britain" but with the English and Welsh law which makes it easy in some cases to ask for a warrant avoiding the Crown Prosecution. (But I admit that both England and Wales are part of Britain - and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.)
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 05:25 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

This has nothing to do with "Britain" but with the English and Welsh law which makes it easy in some cases to ask for a warrant avoiding the Crown Prosecution. (But I admit that both England and Wales are part of Britain - and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.)


I have not heard of any warrants from the UK for those who sent hundreds of suicide bombers into Israel to kill civilians. This is so hypocritical.
dardardit
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 09:24 am
Hi I don't see why Iran shouldn't have their bomb. After all America, Briton, Israel, France, China, Russia, India, Pakistan, have had the bomb for along time. We all get along OK, because of the bomb.
If you look at the history of any of these country's and traditionally we have all hatted each other, and we have had wars. Now we can't. it's just too dangerous. Iranians, are not mad and they are not stupid. Not all Iranians, want to be martyr's, and that is what they would become if they ever used their bomb.
Soon we will all have to get used to the fact that any country that wants the bomb can and will have it.
All weapons become redundant.
it will happen with Nuc's, they are big heavy slow weapons, a rocket can be shot out of the sky by a smaller faster rocket if it can be seen in time Britain's Nuclear Sub's are already redundant. Why because now they can be seen.
The danger is when Nuc's become scrap, we will go back to fighting again.
Dardardit,
dardardit
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 10:12 am
@ican711nm,
Hi ican711nm,
I just read your reason for hatting Arab's and I remember some of those attack's.
Most of them all have one thing in common. They happened in Israel, and is Israel, is in Palestine.
You don't want peace. You want all of Palestine, their is a difference.
The Arabs/ Palestinians, Are not terrorist's they are soldiers fighting for their country.
They have been there as long as the Jews. Even if you settle for a two state solution, and you wont.
The Jews, will still want the biggest and best bits you are going to insist on keeping Jerusalem, and it will all start up again.
There is no answer except, maybe the Americans, stop giving you money and arms to prop you up, and you stop expecting America, Britain, and Australia, to do your fighting for you in Afghanistan.
A long time ago I lived in a small flat in London, the people in the next flat plaid music all night every night, I asked them to stop they were rude. they told me where to go and how. I had a choice go back kill every one in the flat, and go to jail for that or go. I did what any sane person would do I moved out. Why can't you do the same? It's not a bad idea I'm sure the UN, could fined you a nice home where no one ells lives.
Dardardit,
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dardardit
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 10:32 am
@ican711nm,
Hi ican711nm,
YOU ARE A NUT CASE! Not because you believe this demented rubbish you speak, but because you expect us to agree with you.
Dardardit,
dardardit
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 10:45 am
@Advocate,
Hi Advocate,
You think Briton, should have warrants for the people that sent hundreds of bombers in to occupied Palestine.
OK, who are they name them ? and stop frothing at mouth, and ranting like Hitler.
Dardardit,
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 11:59 am
@dardardit,
dardardit wrote:

Hi Advocate,
You think Briton, should have warrants for the people that sent hundreds of bombers in to occupied Palestine.
OK, who are they name them ? and stop frothing at mouth, and ranting like Hitler.
Dardardit,


I was pointing to the hypocrisy of the UK in its one-sided denigration is Israel. The WB and Gaza terrorist leaders are well known, but the UK has not issued warrants for any of them, ever.

You strike me as being pretty ignorant of the history of the area. Until the '67 war, Israel essentially never set foot in the WB and Gaza, and the Pals controlled most of Jerusalem. Notwithstanding this, the Pals attacked Israel hundreds of times. Israel, as would any other country, will make sure this doesn't happen again.

rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 01:25 pm
@Advocate,
They are trying to make sure with thier apartheid policies. It will not work but as with most religious dominated governments they wont recognize that they are morally bankrupt. Between thier christian allies and the conserative jewish government they cant recognize the differance between right and wrong, only military might.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 02:32 pm
@dardardit,
Dardardit, you ignorant schlemiel,
Arabs--emigrants from Arabia--ruled part of Palestine 0638 AD through 1099 AD. Arabs did not rule Palestine or any part of it at any other time.

Therefore, the Arabs have no valid claim to rule any more of Palestine than was recommended by the 1947 UN resolution.


Quote:
1000 BC: Saul King of Palestine except Philistra and Phoenicia.
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0333 BC: Alexander the Great conquers Palestine.
0135 BC: Maccabees conquer all Palestine.
0040 BC: Romans conquer Palestine.
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0638 AD: Arabs begin conquering Palestine.
1099 AD: Crusaders conquer Palestine.

1187 AD: Saladin conquers Palestine.
1244 AD: Turks conquer Palestine.
1516 AD: Ottomans conquer Palestine.
1831 AD: Egypt conquers Palestine.
1841 AD: Ottomans reconquer Palestine.
1918 AD: Ottoman governance of Palestine ends.
1918 AD: British Protectorate of Palestine Begins.
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1947: UN resolution recommends partitioning Palestine into a Jewish State and into an Arab State.
1948: Jews declare independence and establish the State of Israel within that part of Palestine recommended to the Jews by the 1947 UN resolution.
1948: War breaks out between Jews defending Israel and Arabs invading Israel.
1948: State of Israel successfully defends itself and additionally conquers a part of Palestine originally recommended to the Arabs by the 1947 UN resolution.
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Each subsequent time the Palestinian Arabs attempted to invade Israel, the Israelis conquered more of that part of Palestine originally recommended to the Arabs by the 1947 UN resolution.

Keep it up Palestinian Arabs and you will have no one other than yourselves to blame for Israel ending up with all of that part of Palestine originally recommended to the Arabs by the 1947 UN resolution.

Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 02:56 pm
@dardardit,
dardardit wrote:

Hi I don't see why Iran shouldn't have their bomb. After all America, Briton, Israel, France, China, Russia, India, Pakistan, have had the bomb for along time. We all get along OK, because of the bomb.
If you look at the history of any of these country's and traditionally we have all hatted each other, and we have had wars. Now we can't. it's just too dangerous. Iranians, are not mad and they are not stupid. Not all Iranians, want to be martyr's, and that is what they would become if they ever used their bomb...


In my opinion, when a country wants to have a nuclear weapon, it may reflect a decision to have more hegemony in the region than it currently has. In other words, Iran may be desiring to become a bigger political figure than what it has been in modern history. That upsets the balance of power. Newton's third law of motion: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

If you are not aware, Persia was an historical entity. And, having its greatness in pre-Moslem times, it was pagan. Sorry, if it does not mesh with your preferences , but the modern world is not inhabited by great ancient countries. Rome fell, Greece is no longer what it once was, and Persia is not modern day Iran. And, the U.S., and Europe, are now the big boys on the block. You likely do not know what tough nougies means.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 03:20 pm
Palestinians are like Jesus and Israel is like the Romans say representatives of several U.S. Protestant denomination:
O Come, O Come Emmanuel!
Quote:
Reflecting on the society into which Jesus was born, we see many similarities to life here today. The ancient Israelites were occupied and suffered at the hands of a foreign power. The Roman occupied lived freely, able to use and abuse the local population at will, while the subjugated peoples lived in constant uncertainty and anxiety, never sure how they would be treated or whether they would be singled out for random punishment. This is being repeated today for Palestinians living under the longest occupation in modern history, generally trying to live life and survive, but sometimes crossing the line into illegal and counterproductive violence, such as firing rockets from Gaza into Israel. O Come, O Come Emmanuel!
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 05:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Pals are like Jesus? That is amusing considering their persecution of Christian Arabs and other minorities. But then again, maybe that is the way of Jesus.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 02:26 am
@dardardit,

Quote:
Hi ican711nm,
YOU ARE A NUT CASE! Not because you believe this demented rubbish you speak, but because you expect us to agree with you.
Dardardit,


Dardadit is right. Ican IS a nut case.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 02:17 pm
@Foofie,
Tough noogies that go around come around.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 18 Dec, 2009 05:43 pm
THE ARAB EMIGRANTS FROM ARABIA INTO PALESTINE DID NOT BEGIN TO CONQUER AND OCCUPY PALESTINE UNTIL O638 AD.

2000 BC: First Canaanite Culture
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0135 BC: Maccabees conquer all of Palestine.
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0040 BC: Romans conquer Palestine.
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0638 AD: Arabs begin conquering and occupying Palestine for the first time.
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1099 AD: Crusaders conquer Palestine.
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1516 AD: Ottomans conquer Palestine.
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1918 AD: British Protectorate of Palestine Begins.
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1947: UN resolution recommends partitioning Palestine into a Jewish State and into an Arab State.
1948: Jews declare independence and establish the State of Israel within that part of Palestine recommended to the Jews by the 1947 UN resolution.
1948: War breaks out between Jews defending Israel and Arabs invading Israel.
1948: State of Israel successfully defends itself and additionally conquers and occupies a part of Palestine originally recommended to the Arabs by the 1947 UN resolution.
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Subsequently after 1948 when the Palestinian Arabs attempted to invade Israel, the Israelis conquered more of that part of Palestine originally recommended to the Arabs by the 1947 UN resolution.

If the Palestinian Arabs continue trying to conquer and occupy Israe, they will have no one other than themselves to blame for Israel conquering and occupying all of that part of Palestine originally recommended to the Arabs by the 1947 UN resolution.

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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 19 Dec, 2009 08:48 am
You have to hand it to Hamas.

An organization with links to Hamas was behind the arrest warrant issued on Monday by a UK judge against former foreign minister and Kadima leader Tzipi Livni, Channel 10 reported on Friday evening.

"The [organization's] goal is to leverage the Goldstone Report in Hamas's favor. Hamas understood the significance of the legal battle and designated many resources for this purpose," Head of the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies, Dr. Reuven Erlich, told the television channel.

The Jerusalem Post could not confirm the report.

--jpost.com
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dardardit
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 04:21 am
@McTag,
Hi McTag,
Thank you for saying you that I am right. This an unusual reply. Mostly when I say some thing on this Site. If what I say is not agreeing with everything that some nut says I get some Jew, saying A whole lot of insults. What was that nut ican71nm Saying. ''Any Palestinian, that dosn't live in Israel, should be looked as an enemy of Israel.'' People that say things like that. Really should not just be let off, they should be at least laughed at.
Dardardit,
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dardardit
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 04:48 am
@Foofie,
Hi Foofie,
Sorry I didn't get back to you with half wit pro Israel, comments. The fact is the US, is the only country that has used the bomb, OK, I think at the time their wasn't a lot of choice. The west is the danger. I do not feel safe with Israelis, having the bomb. Its just one law for us and an other law for them.
All that Balls about Iranians, not being the same people they were in the past. Before they became Muslim. So we shouldn't trust them, is that what you are saying.
If Iranians, want to stand tall and be taken more seriously. With all that oil, and their position plus them having the bomb. ''Good with all that power. Hay how needs Israel? lets just make good friends with them, and drop Israel, at least let them look after them self's.
Dardardit,
 

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