@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Foofie wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
I think Israel should definitely be limited to expanding within Palestine and the Golen heights
It is a non-sequitor if the Palestineans and Arabs could learn to live at peace with Jewish Israelis, or with Christians in Lebanon for that matter. If they had a cosmopolitan attitude the area could thrive beyond the drip, drip of oil in the Arab countries. That is asking too much I guess from the region.
Interesting perspective. This takes a few minutes to watch, but it reinforces your perspective considerably. And it ultimately could be the salvation of the world and spares it from what appears to be an unrelenting expansion of Islam if two things happen: 1) Militant Islam runs out of oil and is reduced to impotency or 2) Islam learns to work and discovers that earning your own way is more fun than bludgeoning others into submission.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4C2TSUsoD4[/youtube]
In my opinion, the way to peace in the mideast is when Arab women assert their autonomy from a male-dominated society. Societies that advance usually have to have women functioning equal to males.
Well, blugeoning others into submission includes their attitudes toward and treatment of women I think. I have been following the story of the young women seeking asylum from her own family here in the U.S. She has recently converted from Islam to Christianity and believes that she is now the target of an intended 'honor killing'. It is bad enough when Christians and Jews ostracize their own who abandon some or all of the religious beliefs or those who ostracize or scorn those who choose to adopt a religious faith, but few religions these days, other than fundamentalist Islam, include corporal punishment or honor killings as part of their creed.
Iranian President Once Again Claims Holocaust A Myth
By VOA News
18 September 2009
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (file photo)
Iranian President President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has again called the Holocaust a lie by western nations designed to create a pretext for the creation of the Jewish state of Israel.
Mr. Ahmadinejad made the comments Friday as tens of thousands of Iranians filled the streets of the capital, Tehran, for an annual government-sponsored rally to express support for Palestinians and condemn Israel.
The Iranian president called the Holocaust a myth and an unproveable lie designed to promote support for Israel.
Opposition groups also took part in Friday's rally, despite a warning by security officials to stay away. Opposition activists sought to take advantage of the large gatherings to protest the disputed re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Witnesses say several opposition activists were arrested. Revolutionary Guards had promised to crack down on any protests during the rallies.
Following Iran's disputed June 12 elections, rights groups said hundreds of people were detained in clashes with security forces during post-election, anti-government demonstrations. Since then, authorities have held public trials of the accused and tried to marginalize moderate officials within the government.
Some information for this report was provided by AFP, AP and Reuters.
Teaching Hamas Children
September 23, 2009
Hamas children's program teaches kids to kill Jews
Obama's Partners for Peace. From Palestinian Media Watch:
The two hosts of a Hamas children's TV program use three different words for “slaughter” to describe how to rid Israel of Jews. The bear puppet Nassur explains that all Jews must be “erased from our land,” and the young host Saraa then specifies, "They'll be slaughtered."
Later in the conversation Nassur adds, "We want to slaughter them, Saraa, so they will be expelled from our land.” He repeats, “…We’ll have to [do it] by slaughter."
Three different Arabic expressions are used to describe the “slaughter” of the Jews: “Manhurin naher,” “Nidbah-hom” and “Shaht.”
The following is the transcript from the children’s program Tomorrow's Pioneers:
Nassur: “There won't be any Jews or Zionists, if Allah wills. They'll be erased.”
Saraa: “They'll be slaughtered.” (Manhurin naher)
Nassur: “And just like we will visit the Qaaba [in Mecca]... everyone will visit Jerusalem.”
[Seven-year old Palestinian child on phone tells how his father, a member of the Hamas Al-Qassam Brigades, “died as a Shahid (Martyr).”]
Nassur to child on phone: “What do you want to do to the Jews who shot your father?”
Child on phone: “I want to kill them.”
Saraa: “We don't want to do anything to them, just expel them from our land.”
Nassur: “We want to slaughter (Nidbah-hom) them, so they will be expelled from our land, right?”
Saraa: “Yes. That's right. We will expel them from our land using all means.”
Nassur: “And if they don't want [to go] peacefully, by words or talking, we’ll have to [do it] by slaughter.” (Shaht)
[Al-Aqsa (Hamas) TV, Sept. 22, 2009]
@Advocate,
If your post is true, then clearly, the solution to Hamas's programming Palestinian Arab children to
slaughter Jews in Palestine, or
erase Jews from Palestine, or
expel Jews from Palestine is for Israel to NOW DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to conquer that part of Palestine controlled by Hamas.
@ican711nm,
I don't follow you. Did you mean to refer to "Pals" instead of "Jews?"
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:I don't follow you. Did you mean to refer to "Pals" instead of "Jews?"
NO!
I don't even understand why you are asking me that question!
Again:
ADVOCATE, if your post is true, then clearly, the solution to Hamas's programming Palestinian (i.e., PAL) children to
slaughter Jews in Palestine, or
erase Jews from Palestine, or
expel Jews from Palestine, is for Israel (i.e., THE ISRAELI JEWS) to NOW DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to conquer that part of Palestine controlled by Hamas.
Just mentioning that set in motion by the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the British mandate for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was finally approved by the Council of the League of Nations and came into force this day in 1923.
I wonder what Israel will do now that it has been essentially proved that Iran has a nuclear weapons development program? What will the USA do? What will the U.N. do?
Does anybody think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would not use a nuclear weapon on Israel if he became convinced nobody would retaliate? Does he have any reason to believe anybody would retaliate at this point?
Does anybody think Ahmadinejad would have any moral aversion to selling or giving nuclear devices, capability, or materials to rogue nations or terrorist organizations?
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:Does anybody think Ahmadinejad would have any moral aversion to selling or giving nuclear devices, capability, or materials to rogue nations or terrorist organizations?
No moral aversion, but he might have what amounts to a power seeking aversion. He might want Iran's government to perpetrate the actual delivery and explosion of Iran's nuclear devices against the enemies of rogue nations or terrorist organizations.
Hamas threatens to take more Israeli soldier hostages. This is what happens when a country is willing to pay tribute to kidnappers. But I guess Israel is too humane to not pay, and would continue to release hundreds of prisoners for a single kidnapped soldier.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20091003/156336550.html
@Advocate,
Quote: 03/10/2009
By Jack Khoury, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
[...]
Hamas officials tell Arab press: Shalit deal is imminent
Meanwhile, Khaled Meshal, the Damascus-based head of the Hamas political bureau, told an Egyptian newspaper earlier this week that the deal reached for the videotape was an indication that a comprehensive prisoner swap was in the offing.
According to Israel Radio, Meshal told the Egyptian daily Al-Ahram that the Israeli government under the stewardship of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has dealt seriously with the Shalit matter.
The Islamist group is holding Shalit captive in hopes of using the soldier as a bargaining chip to win the release of hundreds of Palestinians who have been incarcerated in Israeli prisons for various security-related offenses.
Netanyahu's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, balked at Hamas' demand to release hundreds of prisoners "with blood on their hands," namely Palestinians who were involved in the planning of deadly suicide bombings in the heart of Israeli towns and cities.
Source: [url0http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1118474.html]Haaretz[/url]
@Walter Hinteler,
How about a reconcicliation agreement with of Fatah and Hamas with Israel?
As a prelude to that, how about Fatah and Hamas agreeing to Israel's right to exist in Palestine,
IF:
?
Abbas complains that Israel is spending billions to purchase Jerusalem land. This seems to fly in the face of CI's constant ranting that Israel is stealing Pal land.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3786166,00.html
Israel has asked for Germany to supply it with (at least) two warships free of charge, German newspapers reported (today, Friday).
The Israeli state hopes Germany would help strengthen its defence forces by financing the costs for the two state-of-the-art corvettes.
The ships, which are hard to detect by radar, are reportedly to be built by Hamburg's Blohm + Voss shipyard (now owned by an Arabian company), while the weapons are to be provided by the USA, paied by Germany as well.
Germany has previously helped equip the Israeli navy, and delivered i.e. three submarines in the years 1999-2000.
Two further submarines are currently being built in Kiel, costing at least 500 million euros apiece, of which Germany pays more than a third.
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm going to apply to Germany to ask it to supply me with two BMWs free of charge, then.
I've got as much
chutzpah as the next man.
@McTag,
I guess it is beyond your comprehension that Germany owes something to the Jews.
Walter, the Pals have, as a precondition, always demanded the right of return and complete control of Jerusalem. Has that changed?
@Advocate,
What, this is supposed to be some form of reparation?
Arguable, wouldn't you say, that the German State (not the Nazi Reich) owes the State of Israel (not the Jewish race) anything any more?
What is the basis for asking for warships for free?
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
What, this is supposed to be some form of reparation?
Arguable, wouldn't you say, that the German State (not the Nazi Reich) owes the State of Israel (not the Jewish race) anything any more?
What is the basis for asking for warships for free?
Well, here's a comment from the
Irish Sun website:
Quote:Germany is getting away cheap; after slaughtering, dehumanizing, and torturing 6 million Jews for no other reason than they were born of the Jewish faith. Am Yosroel Chai!!!We have outlived and shall continue to outlive all those civilizations that tried to annihilate the Jewish people. Highrst regards, George Haas Past Commmander, Jewish War Veterans USA, Post 580, New Orleans, LA
