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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 04:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's empty to people like you who have no sense of humanity, democracy, and legal rights to property.
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There is no property rights outside of a country legal framework.

As far as being a poor American if you know anything of history you would know that we took the Indians lands away from them and Florida away from Spain and a large part of the south west away from the Mexicans and the Hawaii Island away from their government.

It is the American way to seize lands from others and you are the un-American in this regard<grin>.


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 05:01 pm
@BillRM,
You're doing it again, Bill. We're talking about contemporary times and democracies. Quit being so obtuse; you're smarter than that! I think.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 05:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
My my contemporary times?

You mean that once we had taken all the lands we wish to take then we no longer consider that time period to have any more bearing and fools like you are allow to shake their fingers at others doing what we had done?

LOL
old europe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 05:27 pm
@BillRM,
Well, at least you're consistent in your advocacy of Social Darwinism.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 05:35 pm
@old europe,
Well, at least you're consistent in your advocacy of Social Darwinism
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As long as we do not have a one world government with the power to enforce it rulings that what we have and always will have.

That is why the US spend many 100s of billions of dollars of defense every year.

Calling me a advocacy is misleading however as that is the same as stating I am an advocacy for PI being a serial starting with 3.14159.........

It just how the universe is put together.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 05:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Please show us some proof that the Pal Israelis are loyal to their country, Israel.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 06:06 pm
I think Israel should definitely be limited to expanding within Palestine and the Golen heights
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 06:47 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

I think Israel should definitely be limited to expanding within Palestine and the Golen heights


It is a non-sequitor if the Palestineans and Arabs could learn to live at peace with Jewish Israelis, or with Christians in Lebanon for that matter. If they had a cosmopolitan attitude the area could thrive beyond the drip, drip of oil in the Arab countries. That is asking too much I guess from the region.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 07:14 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, History is past; the US happens to be the oldest democracy on this planet. If you have ever studied the history of the US, you would know how land was "won" and occupied by Europeans who came to this country. Lands have traded hands from one family to another, one generation to the next, and borders of the US has changed. As this country progressed from its earlier times, a government was formed, and they established land laws. They made the Constitution the law of the land that supercedes state's laws.

If you have ever studied law, you would know that most of our laws were taken from English law.

Quote:
Overview of Real Property Law
in the United States


Section I: Background and Introduction

This article will present an overview of real property law in the United States. The basic concepts underlying real property law are the same throughout the United States. However, there are numerous variations in the application of these concepts between states as well as between counties and cities within states. Consequently, the focus of this article will be on the law as applied in New York City, unless otherwise indicated. Furthermore, the discussion will in most instances deal with residential real property as opposed to commercial real property.


As with most property in the US, we purchased our property through a real estate broker, and was provided title to our property upon purchase.

No one can come and take away my property by force or without compensation; that would be illegal. Even the government must compensate the value of the property if they wish to take our property.

You are not only a fool, but an ignorant one who thinks taking Palestinian property in Israel is the rights of Jews. You are a sorry human being who have no ethics or humanity.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 07:17 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate, You are the one who said Palestinians are not loyal; it's up to you to prove your own statement. You are ignorant not only about Israel, but you do not understand logic. When you make a claim, it's up to you to prove it with evidence.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 07:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
For Advocate and Bill, It seems your parents, your religion, and your schools failed to teach you right and wrong. Stealing other people's property is wrong.

Your use of straw man diversions show how lowly you are, and it seems no matter how much evidence are provided about the expansion of settlements on stolen land, it will never change your morals.

I will retire from this thread - for now.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 10:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
US happens to be the oldest democracy on this planet
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Every time you post you just prove that you do not know what you are talking about the US is not the current oldest ongoing democracy in the world my friend!

Now should I tell you the name of the country that have us beat in that regard or suggest you google it?

Oh well you more then likely can not find the google search button on your brower so the nation that now hold that honor is Iceland.

You are always so sure and yet so wrong in your facts!

And law concerning property only apply within a nation framework once more and your title to land is only as good as the government that stand behind it.

The Confederate States of American land titles are worthless as there is no longer such a nation except where the US had decided to allow it, just as land titles in the southern states from either Mexico or Spain is worthless except where the US government and states had decided to honor them.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 10:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
For Advocate and Bill, It seems your parents, your religion, and your schools failed to teach you right and wrong. Stealing other people's property is wrong.
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So Mores was evil for not only taking lands that did not belong to his tribe but in killing the former owners?

And at least half the former presidents of the US was wrong for taking lands by conquest along with the congresses who went along with it?

This would be a small and unimportant nation if you would had have you way my friend!

Lord I could go on pointing out your lack of logic or commonsense but what the point.



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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2009 04:02 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Advocate, You are the one who said Palestinians are not loyal; it's up to you to prove your own statement. You are ignorant not only about Israel, but you do not understand logic. When you make a claim, it's up to you to prove it with evidence.


If you followed the news you would know that the Pal Israelis are disloyal. It is funny to see you ask for proof when you never provide this yourself.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2009 04:04 am
@cicerone imposter,
I guess you feel that if you keep repeating a lie (e.g., Israel steals Pal land) people will accept the lie as the truth.

As for you retiring from the thread, I can't say that I will miss a lying anti-Semite.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2009 09:41 am
Quote:
Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:02:21 GMT
Tel Aviv - The Geneva Initiative, a private Israeli and Palestinian group which six years ago released an unofficial proposal for peace between the two sides, presented Tuesday its detailed plan of what a final peace deal could look like. The plan shown to journalists in Tel Aviv is the second stage of the initiative unveiled in late 2003 by Israeli and Palestinian officials, some of whom had taken part in previous negotiations.

Describing it as a "recipe" for resolving the conflict, Israeli team leader Gadi Baltiansky told reporters that the more than 400- page thick manual offers detailed solutions to several issue which are expected to be part of any final Israeli-Palestinian peace deal.

These include water rights, security arrangements, the fate of Israeli settlements and settlers in the West Bank, a solution to Jerusalem, and the role of a multi-national force.

A detailed plan for solving the problem of Palestinian refugees and their descendents, one of the most contentious issues in the Israeli-Palestinian talks, has not yet been completed.

The initiative envisages an independent Palestinian state, with no army but with a strong security force. The Gaza Strip and the West Bank will be connected by a land corridor, which will be under Israeli sovereignty but full Palestinian control.

An international force will be placed in Palestine to aid the two sides in implementing the agreement, and another international force will be stationed on the flashpoint Temple Mount- Haram al-Sharif compound in the heart of Jerusalem's Old City.

Sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem will be divided between Palestine and Israel and the two sides will redistribute their shared water.

The plan calls for the evacuation of one third of the 300,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank, but also says that areas near Jerusalem containing large settlement blocks should be annexed to Israel, while Palestinians will receive territory adjacent to the Gaza Strip and along the south-west Israel-West Bank border.

"If and when peace talks are resumed, the negotiators will find our material a reliable guide on how to do things," former Israeli negotiator Yossi Beilin said.
Source: dpa via EarthTimes

Geneva Initiative homepage
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2009 11:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Pals essentially had all this and more before the'67 War. But the Pals were unsatisfied and launched countless attacks on Israel and Israelis. Thus, it seems quite naive to think that the Pals would keep to the agreement you discuss. Also, the Pals have always insisted on the right of return to Israel, which is a nonstarter. Further, when the Pals controlled East Jerusalem, they desecrated Jewish holy sites. For instance, they put a road through the middle of a sacred Jewish cemetery.

It would be wonderful were an agreement feasible. But I won't hold my breath.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2009 12:02 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

I think Israel should definitely be limited to expanding within Palestine and the Golen heights


It is a non-sequitor if the Palestineans and Arabs could learn to live at peace with Jewish Israelis, or with Christians in Lebanon for that matter. If they had a cosmopolitan attitude the area could thrive beyond the drip, drip of oil in the Arab countries. That is asking too much I guess from the region.


Interesting perspective. This takes a few minutes to watch, but it reinforces your perspective considerably. And it ultimately could be the salvation of the world and spares it from what appears to be an unrelenting expansion of Islam if two things happen: 1) Militant Islam runs out of oil and is reduced to impotency or 2) Islam learns to work and discovers that earning your own way is more fun than bludgeoning others into submission.

Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 15 Sep, 2009 06:32 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Foofie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

I think Israel should definitely be limited to expanding within Palestine and the Golen heights


It is a non-sequitor if the Palestineans and Arabs could learn to live at peace with Jewish Israelis, or with Christians in Lebanon for that matter. If they had a cosmopolitan attitude the area could thrive beyond the drip, drip of oil in the Arab countries. That is asking too much I guess from the region.


Interesting perspective. This takes a few minutes to watch, but it reinforces your perspective considerably. And it ultimately could be the salvation of the world and spares it from what appears to be an unrelenting expansion of Islam if two things happen: 1) Militant Islam runs out of oil and is reduced to impotency or 2) Islam learns to work and discovers that earning your own way is more fun than bludgeoning others into submission.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4C2TSUsoD4[/youtube]


In my opinion, the way to peace in the mideast is when Arab women assert their autonomy from a male-dominated society. Societies that advance usually have to have women functioning equal to males.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2009 02:19 pm
@Foofie,
ican711nm wrote:
I think Israel should definitely be limited to expanding within Palestine and the Golen heights

Foofie wrote:
It is a non-sequitor if the Palestineans and Arabs could learn to live at peace with Jewish Israelis, or with Christians in Lebanon for that matter. If they had a cosmopolitan attitude the area could thrive beyond the drip, drip of oil in the Arab countries. That is asking too much I guess from the region.

Yes, "it is a non-sequitor if the Palestineans and Arabs could learn to live at peace with Jewish Israelis, or with Christians in Lebanon for that matter." But "the Palestineans and Arabs are unable to learn to live at peace with Jewish Israelis, or with Christians in Lebanon for that matter."

The reason they are unable, is because they are afraid of the many among them who do not want to live in peace, and who are convinced they can win their way into a better existence in Islamic paradise by killing jews and other non-Islamics. These who do not want to live in peace are continually succeeding to recruit many and convert them to be like themselves.
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