ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Bill, You are talking about past history; this is about current events in Israel - a so-called democracy where Israelis continue to steal Palestinians lands to expand their settlements on the West Bank.

Have you really studied how the Israeli's have been stealing those lands? You should do a little research and see if what you find is anything similar to your family's land ownership.

Do you know what god said? "Thou shalt not steal, and Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house."

From www.torah.org:

Chances are that those "former owners" of the land you're happily sitting on have died a couple of years ago. That doesn't mean that no injustice has been done, but it's different from having the former owners living across the street.

Sorry so it would have been fine in 1820s or so for the Spanish to kill women and children by suicide bombings?

Is that your logic and also wrong for the US government to had try to defend those women and children is that also your logic?

Second the people without the lands for the most part was the ones who families decided to become enemies of the nation of Israel on it founding and those who did not are now for the most part Israel citizens with full rights to their lands.

Hell the US on it founding punish in many ways the people who did not support the revolution including in some cases seizing their lands.

Such is the price that most people normally paid for betting wrong in a war.

PS see what had happen to General Lee wife family home because he had betted wrong in the US civil war. Hint Senator Kennedy body is laying with his two brothers on General Lee former property.

Do you know what god said? "Thou shalt not steal, and Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house."
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LOL Is this not the same Mores who after bringing down the 10 commandment order the killing of everyone in a tribe but for the young virgin girls and the taking of their lands?

God then even was being helpful later on in bringing down walls of a city so the land could be seize and the people kill correct?

Read you will not steal inside your tribe not that you will not kill outside of it. and seize the lands.

You know even less about the bible then you do about recent history it would seem.

It is hell to bet wrong in any conflict and you are normally lucky to have your life afterward let alone your lands.

Here is a law dealing with the land and property of Southerns who betted wrong in the US civil war.

The Plans who betted against Israel at if founding lost their lands as a result and that is the normal course of event in the history of mankind.

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Sixthly. Of any person who, owning property in any loyal State or Territory of the United States, or in the District of Columbia, shall hereafter assist and give aid and comfort to such rebellion; and all sales, transfers, or conveyances of any such property shall be null and void; and it shall be a sufficient bar to any suit brought by such person for the possession or the use of such property, or any of it, to allege and prove that he is one of the persons described in this section.



SEC. 6. And be it further enacted, That if any person within any State or Territory of the United States, other than those named as aforesaid, after the passage of this act, being engaged in armed rebellion against the government of the United States, or aiding or abetting such rebellion, shall not, within sixty days after public warning and proclamation duly given and made by the President of the United States, cease to aid, countenance, and abet such rebellion, and return to his allegiance to the United States, all the estate and property, moneys, stocks, and credits of such person shall be liable to seizure as aforesaid, and it shall be the duty of the President to seize and use them as aforesaid or the proceeds thereof. And all sales, transfers, or conveyances, of any such property after the expiration of the said sixty days from the date of such warning and proclamation shall be null and void; and it shall be a sufficient bar to any suit brought by such person for the possession or the use of such property, or any of it, to allege and prove that he is one of the persons described in this section.



SEC. 7. And be it further enacted, That to secure the condemnation and sale of any of such property, after the same shall have been seized, so that it may be made available for the purpose aforesaid, proceedings in rem shall be instituted in the name of the United States in any district court thereof, or in any territorial court, or in the United States district court for the District of Columbia, within which the property above described, or any part thereof, may be found, or into which the same, if movable, may first be brought, which proceedings shall conform as nearly as may be to proceedings in admiralty or revenue cases, and if said property, whether real or personal, shall be found to have belonged to a person engaged in rebellion, or who has given aid or comfort thereto, the same shall be condemned as enemies' property and become the property of the United States, and may be disposed of as the court shall decree and the proceeds thereof paid into the treasury of the United States for the purposes aforesaid.



SEC. 8. And be it further enacted, That the several courts aforesaid shall have power t

Hamas seems to be following in the steps of the Taliban. CI probably will blame this on Israel. Or, he may feel this is a wonderful development.


Hamas To Women:don't Laugh And Talk In Public
Written by Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik
Sunday, 13 September 2009 07:17
Hamas seeks to establish Islamic laws in Gaza

With its establishment of Morality Units to supervise proper public behavior, Hamas appears to be going ahead with its goal of enacting Islamic law in Gaza.

According to a member of the Political Bureau of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Kayed Al-Ghoul, Hamas wants to limit women's freedom, prevent contact between men and women, and impose morality restrictions on men. Hamas's Morality Units prohibit women from laughing and talking in public, and want women to go outdoors only when accompanied by a male relative. The following is from the article in the Palestinian daily, Al-Ayyam:


Member of the Political Bureau of the Popular Front, Kayed Al-Ghoul:

"Hamas in Gaza today maintains a type of tyranny... and seeks, through undemocratic means of coercion and despotism, to enact laws that enforce their ideology and their party's world-view on the entire Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip...
Hamas enforces [wearing of] the headscarf and long gown (hijab and jalabiya) on female lawyers and students; it acts to separate the sexes in government departments by imposing a separation between the sexes in offices and waiting rooms, and it has prohibited mixed folk dancing. Most dangerous, it has established Morality Units, run jointly by the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Religious Affairs, which ask couples who walk on the beach to present a marriage contract, and ask any woman walking alone on the beach to have an escort [male relative], and prohibit laughing and talking for women [in public], and have issued a religious ruling (fatwa) prohibiting men from swimming in shorts, with the rest of their bodies naked."
[Al-Ayyam, Sept. 3, 2009]

Hamas is not the Taliban in any shape or form. That you can equate the two shows how confused you are about the politics of Israel.

It is without question a sick and to a degree evil culture who had brought a large percent of it suffering down on itself and seem to still be going down that road.

Love people who can defense killing woman and children by means of suicide bombers and then cry if as a result some freedom of movement is taken away from them.

When and if they decided that Israel is not going away and working out living in peace with that fact they will have a far better future,

Hamas is not the Taliban in any shape or form. That you can equate the two shows how confused you are about the politics of Israel.
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In what way or in what manner do they not share the same sickness my friend?

I have never made any kind of argument excusing the use of violence on either side.

You, on the other hand, seem to argue that there's no problem if someone forcibly takes something from someone else. It's all part of the game. If you're successful, you get to keep everything..

I can only assume that if the Palestinians were to start a war against Israel and would successfully defeat and occupy the country, you wouldn't have much of a problem with that either.

That's one idea I had not thought of, but we both know that the likelyhood of the Palestinians taking over the Israelis is very remote if not impossible. The only way they would be able to accomplish that is if the surrounding Arab countries help them with this. Logistics-wise, Israel won't have a chance.

can only assume that if the Palestinians were to start a war against Israel and would successfully defeat and occupy the country, you wouldn't have much of a problem with that either
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In what area of the world do you happen to live old Europe?

If it happen to be Europe then there is not question that the land you are setting on had been " stolen" many times over and do you have a problem with that fact and are you then willing to search down the halls of time to find who should be the real owners?

In any case Israel was attack by 6 or 7 surrounding nations at the time it declare it independent and a numbers of times afterward and it won those lands in the military conflicts that then resulted. A large part of the lands it won it need to hold onto for military security reasons in any case.

If Palestians wish to play the game of attacking Israel hopefully without targeting women and children and win the land back good going for them.

However both allowing them to attack Israel by murdering women and children and then crying large tears when they get the short end of the old stick is silly.

Murdering children and women is not going to get the land back in any case and in my opinion their best route is to begin to live in peace with Israel instead.

It seems to me that every forced transaction of land that you have so far mentioned as an example also involved the murdering children and women.

Are you saying that murdering children and women to obtain land is wrong when the Palestinians do it, but not when everybody else does it? What is your general rule for forcibly taking land from somebody else?

That's one idea I had not thought of, but we both know that the likelyhood of the Palestinians taking over the Israelis is very remote if not impossible. The only way they would be able to accomplish that is if the surrounding Arab countries help them with this. Logistics-wise, Israel won't have a chance.
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LOL you know no history of this region at all do you?

Why do you not read up on it so your postings does not show you as a fool?

The surrounding Arab countries beginning in 1948 had join together a number of times to wipe out Israel with the former USSR support and had their heads handed to them everytime.

They unlike the Palestians had learn their lesson it would seem and are no longer eager to go to war with Israel.

God once more read up on the history of the region just a few books so you do not seem like such a fool in your postings.

It seems to me that every forced transaction of land that you have so far mentioned as an example also involved the murdering children and women.

Are you saying that murdering children and women to obtain land is wrong when the Palestinians do it, but not when everybody else does it? What is your general rule for forcibly taking land from somebody else?
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You win land by defeating the military forces of the people who are controlling the land not by murdering women and children just to murder women and children.

The US won the south west by defeating Mexico and Spain militaries not by killing their women and children.

Hawaii we took over without any great blood cost and surely not by targeting their women and children.

Women and children do die as a result of conflicts but they are not normally the target of it.

How do you know what reasons Palestinian extremists have for murdering women and children? How do you know they're not doing that in order to defeat Israel as a country rather than just in order to murder women and children?

Also, are you saying that if settlers in America had been murdering native American women and children just to murder women and children, then you couldn't morally claim the land you're living on as yours?

Bill, You are confused; we are talking about a so-called "democracy." Can you identify any democratic country today that steals other's land by force - without compensation? Please list them for us, because I'm not aware of any.

Survey: Israel yet to grasp concept of democracy
By Mazal Mualem

More than half the Jewish population of Israel - 53 percent - is opposed to full equal rights for Israeli Arabs, according to a survey conducted last month by the Israel Democracy Institute.

The general conclusion of the survey, which is dubbed the "Israeli Democracy Survey" and will be conducted every year, is that Israel is basically a democracy in form more than in substance, and that it has yet to internalize fully the concept of democracy.

How do you know what reasons Palestinian extremists have for murdering women and children? How do you know they're not doing that in order to defeat Israel as a country rather than just in order to murder women and children?

Also, are you saying that if settlers in America had been murdering native American women and children just to murder women and children, then you couldn't morally claim the land you're living on as yours?
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Let see so you are claiming that murdering women and children on buses is going to get the land back in some manner?

Israel in fact had stop this nonsense already for the most part by not allowing the poor Palestians access to Israel proper a fact that you and others had been crying about.

Indians and killing their women and children to get the land from them is not how it was done. They was defected on the battle field even those there was a numbers of cases where villages was wipe out it was not the general method of driving them away from their land. As a side note the Indians was great in attacking settlers and killing the families and as a result this cause the whites evil setttlers be even more determine to move them away far far aways.

Moving the tribes from the east coast a thousand plus miles west sadly resulted in a great many deaths of women and children but once more that have no connection with the seizing of the land as that had already been done.

Let see you mean in the last month or the last few years or the last 5o years?

The last time that military force was used that I can off hand think of England taking back the Falken island by force large scale force as a matter of fact.

And by the way please list the Democracy countries under constant attack other then Isreal?