ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Are you on the same planet they have a government with 30000 men under arms as a security force and I do expect a police force to stop terrorists not help them.

Second if I found some nuts cases setting up a rocket launcher in front of my home that I knew would bring down a gunship within minutes of it firing I would kill them myself.

Oh and there is no lack of weapons in the middle east and never had been no matter what your silly opinion happen to be.

And, ofcoarse, you're going to keep watch 24/7. You're an idiot!

Second note you seem to be claiming that the Palestinian population is some poor victims of terrorists who just happen to be their sons and the terrorists are doing these acts without the wide spread support of the population.

Is that your claim that the Palestinian population is a peace loving people that on the whole does not support suicide bombers or random rocket attacks?

That the fact that by vote they had place such a terrorists group into power and that since their arm government was form no effort seem to have been make to stop such acts we need to just overlook?

The majority, no matter what race or culture, are "peace loving." That's a human desire no matter where one lives. People turn to violence when all hope is taken away; they have nothing to lose.

You mean like the Weather Underground, or the Symbionese Liberation Army, or the Black Panthers, or the Earth Liberation Front?

When was all their hope taken away?

mm, You can't be that stupid! But, maybe you are; there are organizations all over the world that are established for the sole purpose of creating havoc in society, and many are religious' based. We also still have the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazi Party, and many white supremacist groups in this country. You ask the most stupid questions on a2k; get over yourself, the answers are obvious if you look or think. I'm not sure that's a possibility for you.

These are your words...



Now, all the groups I listed have turned to violence at one time or another.

So I asked a legitimate question...what hope did they lose?

To be fair to our friend the example you gave was very small sub-groups that did not have the support of the rest of their societies.

However in the Pals case there is more then a little evidence that the terrorists have overriding support of the population.

mm, Do you really, really, understand English? You're making assumptions from what I wrote to interpret it with your own preconceived ideas that's not in my writing.

If you had read my following post, you would have understood (fully) what I meant. But you didn't.

Here is your following post...

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So, the groups you listed, when was there hope taken away and by whom?
After all, those groups have also resorted to violence at one time or another.

What even more amusing is that the "poor" treatment and poor conditions of the Palestinian population that our friend is complaining about is a direct result of their own actions in not being willing to live in peace in the first place.

Seem odd that he can see evil in only one group in the world IE the Jewish people all others in the history of the world wish to live in peace it would seem.

The block parties in honor of the killers we should not take note of.

Bill, Something you have difficulty in understanding; not all of one group or culture are always violent, criminal, or hateful. That you and others on this thread would assume that all Palestinians are bad shows your total ignorance.

Would you care to point out where I or anyone else for that matter had stated that ALL PALENINIANS are bad???!!!!???????

You can not deal with what we are sayings so you fall back on what we are not saying and that is making you look like a weak fool my friend.

In any case why do you not try to deal with what I am saying instead if you can?

The current Paleninians culture is sick and far from a peaceful culture and turn suicide bombers into cultural heroes. You can not get any sicker then that.

Do you know what " by inference" means? If you and the others believe they are not all criminals, why do you approve of how they are treated?

If you and the others believe they are not all criminals, why do you approve of how they are treated?
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Why because the majority seem to be supporting suicide bombers just to start with!!!!!!!

Second their government that is elected had sentence people who had work with Israel to death but have done nothing to stop terrorists attacks on Jews!

As a people that elect their own government if they care to place terrorists in power by majority vote why would I or anyone else care that they are having a hard time due to their own actions as a society?

Simply because the Palestinians feels helpless against the Israelis, and they continue to suffer loss of land, loss of jobs, and their freedoms.

You just don't understand human nature; if you were put in the same position as the Palestinians, how would you react?

When people feel helpless, they will resort to what they think is their only chance for survival.

It's the Israelis who are stealing their lands, limiting their opportunities for business/jobs, and controlling the free movement within their own country.

Do you know of any Jew who would tolerate such control over your life?

AS all the actions you do not care for seem to spring from needed steps that Israel needed to take to protect their own citizens not from a blind desire to harm the Palestinians!

It was only after not before the Jews have buses blown up on an ongoing basic that the Palestiians was block from freely coming into Israel proper for example. That step did indeed stop buses from being blown up.

Check points and all the other costly security measures was only set up and taken in response to Palestinians actions.

And further, the surrounding Arab populations are providing very limited space for refugees and very little, if any, in humanitarian aid to the Palestinians while the Palestinian leadership rips off and sells most of what the rest of us are providing. Conclusion: they don't give a flying fig about the peaceful Palestinians but WANT them to be in terrible situations and to be killed and maimed so they can be used as propaganda tools against the Israelis.

The true victims are the peaceful Palestinians who are powerless against mostly totalitarian leadership and the islamofacist thugs in their midst, and who pay for the crimes of a few. And the Israelis are given little recourse but discriminate against all Palestinians or they put their own at risk to be blown up on those busses, in their schools, in their synagogues, and in their market places.

It is not a good situation for anybody but the terrorists who are apparently quite happy with the way things are.

Oh by the way the Palestinians are the descended of these who choose to leave Israel in 1948 banking on the local surrounding nations to destroy the new born nation in short order.

Those who did not leave are now citizens of Israel and in no way forfeit their lands.

As I said it was their own actions and or their fathers own actions that had resulted in the current situation for them and their best recourse is to begin to be peaceful and useful neighbors to the state of Israel.

If they wish to support murderers instead I see little as no reason to cry for them.

Well a few months ago I would have agreed with you about that. But recently I have had opportunity for some long conversations with folks who have been mostly living in that area for many years now. They all agree that with a few exceptions the Israelis do the best they can under impossible situations, but that the average rank and file Palestinian really doesn't have any power against those intending to do mayhem to Israel. It is sad really that Palestinians and Israelis who were once neighbors and good friends are now separated with no easy solution in site so long as the destruction of Israel remains the primary motive of the Palestinian leadership.