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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 10:21 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Might doesn't make right
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It had aways had done so in the history of the human race and yes stopping annoying Israel would result in a far better deal for the Pals then firing rockets at random into their areas!

Really? If might makes right then why are we still fretting over the holocaust? Why care about genocide at all? Aren't these just stronger people doing what mighty people do? Why do we care so much about it? Because it was unjust and inhumane, and that's the same reason why we care what happens to the Palestinians. You call me a silly person but you are one who thinks cruelty is clever and oppression is natural and righteous.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 10:31 am
In 1947, the UN recommended that Palestine be divided in two states, one Arab and one Jewish.

The Palestinian Jews created their jewish state in 1948. Then the Palestinian Arabs and their allies attempted to conquer Israel. The Palestinian Arabs failed to conquer Israel in 1948 and subsequent years. Each time the Palestinian Arabs and their allies attempted to conquer Israel, the Israelis succeeded in conquering more of Palestine.

Until such time when the Palestinian Arabs stop trying to conquer Israel, the Israelis well continue trying to conquer more of Palestine.

The best strategy for the Palestinian Arabs is to denounce all efforts of people among them to conquer Israel. Instead they should capture or kill all those among them trying to conquer Israel. Then they should begin to negotiate with Israel to regain that part of Palestine originally recommended by the UN to be given to them.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 02:20 pm
@Advocate,

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CI, among other things, stereotypes Jews as people who steal land from others. The fact is that Jews, as a result of their culture, are extremely charitable and humane.


Jews are indeed extremely charitable and humane, and not only to other Jews, I agree.
But the state of Israel steals land from others. See my next post.

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Despite hundreds of attacks by the Pals, Israel was content to live within the "pre-'67" borders. However, the '67 war was the final straw, encouraging Israel to move into the WB and Gaza.


This is very wrong. Israel from the earliest days has tried to suffocate the Palestinians and get rid of them.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 02:34 pm

The image of little Israel bravely defending itself against the forces of unreason is oft-times peddled here. Reality is different. Ethnic cleansing of the surrounding regions, and of Jerusalem, is the aim.
Here is an article describing what is going on, and how these aims of the State are being brought about.

Quiet slicing of the West Bank makes abstract prayers for peace obscene

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/18/west-bank-israel-settlers-palestinians
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 02:48 pm
@McTag,
I read that article a day or so ago./ It's not shocking any more, but the apologists for Israel see nothing wrong with stealing Palestinian lands/property. They have lost all reason and humanity.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 07:22 pm
@McTag,
BULLSHIT
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 07:28 pm
@FreeDuck,
Really? If might makes right then why are we still fretting over the holocaust? Why care about genocide at all? Aren't these just stronger people doing what mighty people do? Why do we care so much about it? Because it was unjust and inhumane, and
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I hate to tell you this but for the most part the world seem not to care about genocide and very seldom since WW2 had genocide been stop by the western world.

Place genocide in a news search engine and see the hits all around the world you will get to this day.

We sadly do not care for the most part, if caring mean spending funds and military resources to do anything about it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 08:25 pm
@BillRM,
Does it explain why the US is hellbent on fighting two wars now that doesn't pose any threats to us?

How about our wars in Korea and Vietnam?

We are the primary funders of these wars, but there were other countries that "contributed" to those efforts.

The US never learned the simple lesson, that the war on terror is an international responsibility. We can't win any war on our own.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 08:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Does it explain why the US is hellbent on fighting two wars now that doesn't pose any threats to us?

How about our wars in Korea and Vietnam?

We are the primary funders of these wars, but there were other countries that "contributed" to those efforts.

The US never learned the simple lesson, that the war on terror is an international responsibility. We can't win any war on our own.


Peddle your rhetoric elsewhere. The U.S. needs to fight wars to maintain its global position. No one is asking you to fight a war, nor is the U.S. asking anyone to fight a war if they do not volunarily join the military. This country now allows its citizens to ignore a war, or contribute to it. What is the complaint? Are pro-war folks telling anyone to be pro-war? One should learn how to mind one's own business. Oh, I remember; we should all follow the doctrine of loving humanity. Humanity has been ass-holes for much of history. Why would I love ass-holes?

P.S. The irony of the volunteer military is that when there was a draft, draft protesters did not want a draft. Now that there is no draft the same ilk now wants no wars. One cannot satisfy malcontents!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Sep, 2009 09:12 pm
@Foofie,
The "complaint" is a very simple one; the Iraq war was illegal, and instead of the $50 billion estimate for the war, we ended up spendings hundreds of billions, and towards the end of the war, it was costing our country $2 billion every week; all wasted on a war that was never necessary for our own security. You may find some justification for our military casualties, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives lost in addition to those billions spent that didn't benefit our own citizens, your inability to understand cost/benefit is zilch.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 12:28 am
@BillRM,

Quote:
BULLSHIT


You poor, deluded, ill-mannered and ignominious fool.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 12:58 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
The U.S. needs to fight wars to maintain its global position.


At least you've stopped with your nonsense about the USA invading other countries to spread freedom. That's one small step. Now remember when you do your little oath of subservience, it's really nothing more than a Heil Hitler routine.

"We're the chosen ones, get out there and crush anyone who dares to question our grand scheme."

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 05:20 am
@JTT,
Now remember when you do your little oath of subservience, it's really nothing more than a Heil Hitler routine.
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Sorry my friend but we stop Hitler and limit the spread of governments that have a history of killing their own people and others pooples.

All in all the world is a far far better place because the USA exist then it would had been if we have not.

And no that does not mean that we are no like every other country in the world in looking after our own interest first.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 08:21 am
It is interesting that the Pals, not content with their lies about Israel stealing Pal lands, are claiming that Israel harvests organs from the Pals. The Pal lying has reached new heights.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 10:57 am
@Advocate,
Advocate, Since you don't believe any of the charges against the Israelis, it's hopeless to bring facts and evidence to this thread. You are a blind a stupid fool!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 11:13 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
the Iraq war was illegal, and instead of the $50 billion estimate for the war, we ended up spendings hundreds of billions, and towards the end of the war, it was costing our country $2 billion every week; all wasted on a war that was never necessary for our own security.


The Iraq war was not illegal and was necessary for our own security.

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 09/08/2006, wrote:

Congressional Intelligence Report 09/08/2006
Postwar information indicates that the Intelligence Community accurately assessed that al-Qa'ida affiliate group Ansar al-Islam operated in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq


CONGRESS'S TRUE WHEREASES

Of the 23 “Whereases” (i.e., Reasons) given by the USA Congress for its October 16, 2002 resolution, 11 were subsequently proven FALSE. The remaining 12 were subsequently proven TRUE. These TRUE Whereases are more than sufficient to justify the USA invasion of Iraq, and are listed in the following quote:


Congress wrote:

www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf
Public Law 107-243 107th Congress Joint Resolution Oct. 16, 2002 (H.J. Res. 114) To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;


Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens[/u];

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and,

Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region:

Now therefore be it, Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. 50 USC 1541 note.


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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 11:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
You never bring real facts to bear. For instance, to prove that Israel somehow starves Pals, you provide facts of other things. You are an anti-Semtic POS.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 11:40 am
@Advocate,
That's what shows you are wrong; you don't address the evidence presented by reliable media sources and resort to ad hominems. Either you are fooling yourself to understand the truth, or you are struggling with yourself about the inhuman treatment of the Palestinians that you must know is illegal, inhuman, and not acceptable.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 07:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The "complaint" is a very simple one; the Iraq war was illegal, and instead of the $50 billion estimate for the war, we ended up spendings hundreds of billions, and towards the end of the war, it was costing our country $2 billion every week; all wasted on a war that was never necessary for our own security. You may find some justification for our military casualties, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives lost in addition to those billions spent that didn't benefit our own citizens, your inability to understand cost/benefit is zilch.


You are worried about billions, when the current administration is spending trillions? And, you are lamenting innocent lives of Iraqis, when American military lives have been lost? Do not peddle your universal humanism to me.

And, the war does benefit our citizens, since it is preventive maintenance of every dumb f*ck dictator that now thinks twice before he pulls the same crap that required us to get Iraq out of Kuwait. Do you not understand that this world cannot be managed through talk, since there are some atavistic folks running some nations? Stop telling me about wars, as if they are bad. Wars have a positive effect for the winners.

There is no such thing as an illegal war, in my opinion. It is a term used, I believe, by those that do not want to utilize the military. Legality of military action is just a red-herring non-sequitor, in my opinion. We never went to war. There was no formal declaration of war. We utilized our military to attain objectives. That is not a war.

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Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 5 Sep, 2009 07:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's what shows you are wrong; you don't address the evidence presented by reliable media sources and resort to ad hominems. Either you are fooling yourself to understand the truth, or you are struggling with yourself about the inhuman treatment of the Palestinians that you must know is illegal, inhuman, and not acceptable.


"Not acceptable"? To whom?
 

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