ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Current ethics and humanity are the issues...

They are the issues in your thinking. Not everyone's thinking. So, you first have to recognize that not everyone has your criteria on the issues. Otherwise, you might be trying to sell a ham sandwich in a synogogue, in the way of anology.

I think there are many pro-Palestinean folk that have a "humanity" challenge, for the inability to see that Europe was happy to see the Displaced People dumped into Israel, at the end of WWII, and could care less if the Arabs destroyed those people in any of the four wars it fought to survive as a country. I believe there is a lack of humanity on both sides of the issue. But, the pro-Palestinean folk do not seem to have any real answers, other than acquiescing to the demands of the Palestineans.

The world-wide left movement is anti-Israel, so unless I was a leftist, I would not be part of the debate, on the side of the Palestineans, since I would not want to be misconstrued as a leftist, even though it might be acceptable in some circles today. It is interesting that many on the left hardly ever mention it as a reason to be pro-Palestinean. That would unmask them as just idealogues, I believe, and show their anti-Israel rhetoric as just ideology.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

The deserve self-determination and they should retain their rights to their property -- much of which has been in their families for centuries -- simply because they are human
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LOL they have the same right as the Indians tribes have to the eastern seaboard of the USA.

When the Indains get their lands back is when the Pals are going to get their lands back not one second before my silly friend.

The Indians were outnumbered. The Palestinians are not.

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@BillRM,

Yes, Israel has the arms, but they fail in the areas of ethics and humanity. They have lost their souls from stealing land by force that does not belong to them. Stealing is wrong even in the Torah. Too bad you fail to see this "sin" against other humans. Military power alone will never bring peace to Israel; a lesson that seems to escape them.

You talk about other country's wars and possession of land, but fail to talk about the occupants of those lands. They were never apartheid lands controlled by an occupying nation.

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Countries and peoples had always changes their borders by wars and that little fact had not change one little bit and is unlikely to change anytime soon as in the next thousand years or so.

Yes, they have changed their borders, but the occupiers did not treat other cultures with guns and bombs, nor steal their lands illegally. Did I mention stealing is a sin?
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BRM wrote:

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Would you like to point out the arm forces that is able and willing to engage the Israel and force your idea of morals on them?

Why would I want to do that? It has nothing to do with the Jews treatment of Palestinians in their country.

BRM wrote:

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The Pals claims to the land in question is as dead as the Indians claims to the Eastern Seaboard and for the same reason.

It's dead according to people like you who have no sense of humanity, ethics, or justice.

BRM wrote:

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If England had not been able and willing to used arm force to keep the Falkland islands all the crying of the people then living on that island would not change their land from then belonging to Argentine.

I've already answered this; England did not treat the peoples of the Falkland the way Jews are treating Palestinians in Israel.

BRM wrote:

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I would suggest you grow up and view the world as it is not as how you would wish it to be.

I view the world "as it is," and understand the issues of the many forms of discrimination, inhumanity of man, racial bigotry, ethics, cruelty, kindness, good, bad, evil, saintliness, right and wrong. .

Your position meets all the negatives of humanity. You do not have a conscience or understanding of humanity. All humans should be treated with respect and dignity.

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@Foofie,

Foofie, As dys already claimed, you are stupid! I second that observation.

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@FreeDuck,

The Indians were outnumbered. The Palestinians are not.
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And they also had nuclear weapons and a world class military to go along with those numbers like Israel?

Second the Indians was not outnumber in the beginning either!! The reason that the Europeans won was not numbers but a far far better and more developed military art along with more deadly diseases. Do you know any history at all?

LOL once more if you think that the Pals could do anything other then annoy Israel.

You are a silly person indeed with neither an understanding of history or commonsense.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Foofie, As dys already claimed, you are stupid! I second that observation.

Not if IQ is a criterion for intelligence.

And, you did not respond to my post, just the poster. You seem to not respond to some of my posts?

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@cicerone imposter,

So we lost our poor souls when we stolen lands from the Indian and turn it into the most powerful nation ever seen on earth?

Second military forces had decided most issues in the history of the human race just go ask the Confederate States of American or the National Government of Germany if military force and military alone did not decide their fate.

Why are people who are supposed to be growth adults can not look at the world as it is not as they would dream it to be?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Why are people who are supposed to be growth adults can not look at the world as it is not as they would dream it to be?

I believe it is based oftentimes on the false belief that the world can change to their preferences. Most will die disillusioned.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

LOL once more if you think that the Pals could do anything other then annoy Israel.

You are a silly person indeed with neither an understanding of history or commonsense.

And you are a cantankerous fart who thinks that insulting people is a substitute for conversation. It's true there isn't much that the Palestinians can do about the situation, contrary to those who say that all they have to do is to collectively stop hurting Israelis at which time their benevolent rulers will give them their land back and pat them on the heads. But that doesn't mean we have to stand around and say that it's just. Might doesn't make right.

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CI, no one can believe your crap. You admitted that you are an anti-Semite. BTW, you said that Israel caused Pals to starve to death. You still have not proved this (or a hundred other lies you told about Israel and Jews).

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@Advocate,

When the Israelis blockaded Gaza, some people did indeed "starve to death."

What's the difference between being shelled to death and starved to death? Do you know, because it doesn't seem to raise any indignation in you!

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Lets cut off all aid to Israel and begin giveing the 50 or 60 billion of aid to the pals and also less not forget to give them the tanks, planes, and other modern weapons that weve given Israel. Eventually the palastinian, and arab countries are going to catch up with Israel and will total destroy them if they dont wake up. Hate generated by injustice lasts a long, long time.

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@FreeDuck,

Might doesn't make right
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It had aways had done so in the history of the human race and yes stopping annoying Israel would result in a far better deal for the Pals then firing rockets at random into their areas!

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@rabel22,

Lets cut off all aid to Israel and begin giveing the 50 or 60 billion of aid to the pals and also less not forget to give them the tanks, planes, and other modern weapons that weve given Israel. Eventually the palastinian, and arab countries are going to catch up with Israel and will total destroy them if they dont wake up. Hate generated by injustice lasts a long, long time.
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Hmm not a good idea as if I was the head of Israel government and that was the changing balance of power I would wipe the Pals out to the last man woman and children before the power balance reach the point they would be able to do the same to me as I would know they would do so the minute they could.

Sorry but Israel is there to stay and they will do whatever it take not to be wipe out.

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@Advocate,

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You admitted that you are an anti-Semite

Would you stop with the anti-semite crap.
Arabs are a semitic race too.
It's illogical as well as being wrong.
Being against Israel's actions (not her existence, note) does not make anyone an anti-semite.

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@McTag,

Being against Israel's actions (not her existence, note) does not make anyone an anti-semite.
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Actions such as defending yourself against suicide bombers wiping out whole bus loads of your citizens or stopping cheerful and fun loving rocket launching assholes randomly shooting rockets at your homes and your women and children?

Shame on them for taking steps to defend themselves.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

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You admitted that you are an anti-Semite

Would you stop with the anti-semite crap.
Arabs are a semitic race too.
It's illogical as well as being wrong.
Being against Israel's actions (not her existence, note) does not make anyone an anti-semite.

The term anti-Semite is specifically used for Jews. So let us not parse the lexicon incorrectly.

And, within the camp of pro-Palestineans are anti-Semites, and Socialists, and those that are self-serving in relation to wanting to keep the Arab oil spigot turned on for their respective country.

So, yes, being a critic of Israel does not make one an anti-Semite, a priori. However, it does make one suspect for having the age old attitude that Jews are "dispensable." That attitude is really the forerunner of actual anti-Semitism. Sort of like a pre-formed version of anti-Semitism.

So, it really is academic whether the Nazis scape-goated the Jews because they were "dyed in the wool" anti-Semites, or just accepting the basic European Christian attitude that Jews, post feudalism, were dispensable. Either way few cared that they were being murdered.

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@McTag,

There is a new invention called the "dictionary."

an⋅ti-Sem⋅ite /ˌæntiˈsɛmaɪt, ˌæntaɪ- or, especially Brit., -ˈsimaɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [an-tee-sem-ahyt, an-tahy- or, especially Brit., -see-mahyt] Show IPA
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"noun a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.

CI, among other things, stereotypes Jews as people who steal land from others. The fact is that Jews, as a result of their culture, are extremely charitable and humane.

Despite hundreds of attacks by the Pals, Israel was content to live within the "pre-'67" borders. However, the '67 war was the final straw, encouraging Israel to move into the WB and Gaza.

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So Isarel announced today that they approve the building of some hundreds more houses in the occupied territories.

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"We have been in continuous discussions with the U.S. administration in the effort to reach a compromise that is reasonable and sustainable and those efforts are ongoing," said Israeli spokesman Ron Dermer.

But Israel's view of a compromise falls far short of U.S. President Barack Obama's demand for a complete freeze on settlement expansion. The United States sees the settlements as an obstacle to peace, and the issue has strained relations between Washington and Israel since right-wing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took office five months ago.

Palestinian officials say there is no settlement freeze, and the only thing Israel has frozen is the peace process. Palestinian spokeswoman Diana Buttu says the ball is now in America's court.

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@Walter Hinteler,

The two parties are, as usual, using the United States as an excuse for their continued intransigence. We should wash our hands of the whole bloody mess and leave both to their continued struggle.

Neither side has any real incentive to end this situation and, in these circumstances, our continued intervention is folly.

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