ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

The term illegal that such people as circerone imposter like to throw around is meanless when you are talking international relationships.

When there is a real international government able and willing to used force to impose it rules/laws and a court system that is back by such a government then and only then would a term illegal in such a content have any meaning.

Until that happy or unhappy day arrive the term illegal just mean I am not happy with some action or other.

Bill, You are completely wrong! Just because there is no world court to inforce UN and Geneva Convention contracts, doesn't mean breaking those regulations and contracts are okay. The US is a signer of those contracts, and we should abide by them. Our breaking those laws makes us weaker, not stronger. You do not understand humanity , ethics, or legal contracts. Your loss.

Bill, You are completely wrong! Just because there is no world court to enforce UN and Geneva Convention contracts, doesn't mean breaking those regulations and contracts are okay. The US is a signer of those contracts, and we should abide by them. Our breaking those laws makes us weaker, not stronger. You do not understand humanity , ethics, or legal contracts. Your loss - and our loss. Tyranny is not acceptable to all fair-minded peoples.

Would the above be a platitude?

Platitude to people who don't understand nor accept equal treatment for all humans.

You are living in a comfortable abode, adequate nutritious food, indoor plumbing, hot and cold running water, refrigeration for foods, electric lights, radio, tv, computer, available doctors and hospitals, and you think that there is such a thing as equal treatment in this world?

Yes, we have those things and more, but we also know that many Americans are struggling financially - most through no fault of their own (responsible folks), who need to know they will have enough to sustain them through this recession, and have a future with jobs.

As a middle class American, I am willing to pay more in income taxes to help our fellow Americans through these rough times, and hopefully our government will be fiscally responsible by cutting expenses and paying off some of the accumulated debt.

This is where we disagree.
Its not the job of the govt to guarantee that you will have a job.
Even in the best of times, companies fold.
It could be due to poor planning, a change in societies needs or wants, technological changes, etc.

For you or anyone to expect the govt to guarantee jobs in todays world is strange.

Or, due you think the govt should subsidize buggy whip makers also?

What if there were massive unemployment, such as in the Great Depression, in which people are starving. FDR stepped in and produced public works so people could work and make a living wage. I guess you feel that was wrong.

For you or anyone to expect the govt to guarantee jobs in todays world is strange.
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It is strange that you think that if the social contract become so unbalance that a fairly large percent of the citizens can not feed or shelter their families that they would just go along with watching their families slowly die without taking the rest of society down with them including your family.

No society can be peaceful without a large percent of the citizens having a future and being stakeholders in the society.

Government damn well better provide such an enviroment or there will be blood in the street. See the history of France in the 1790s for an example of this.

Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae have been nationalised.

During the depression unemployment reached almost 25%.
I dont deny that.
And yes, the govt created jobs.
But, those jobs still didnt put everyone back to work, nor did they make a significant dent in the unemployment rates.
The biggest job creating event of the great depression happened on Dec, 7 1941

So,yes, the govt can create jobs, but they still cant guarantee jobs for everyone.
If they could, nobody could ever get fired, no company could ever go out of business, and there would be no unemployment at all.

And the arm builded up before and during WW2 ended the great depression like it was a bad dream!!!!!!!!!!

And at the end of the war we had a debt load greater then the total GNP and somehow it was one hell of a great economic for decades afterward.

Love people who know no history.

BRM, Why is it that you can articulate what is true social dynamics in the US and anyplace else on this planet, but can't relate it to Israel?

You see, I totally agree with your above thesis.

Had the government not produced the jobs, which gave the public some hope and pride, we could have easily drifted into communism or revolution. I never said that employment was guaranteed to all.

But, the governement could help our industries to play on a level playing field and not let them export to those countries that do not buy our goods equally.

Right now the world is a Monopoly game where some countries give themselves privileged rules to play by, and we schmucks allow that to happen. Why should Americans be allowed to buy foreign cars? Why should money be allowed to leave this country, whether it is from religions, or families supporting folks back in other countries. We should stop, as a nation, to stop walking around with our shoelaces untied, so to speak. No wonder we trip ourselves up.

If liberals can make an argument for the U.S. to not be involved politically and militarily with other nations, then what about not being involved economically, when the economics is to our detriment as a nation?

You love to bring up alleged Israeli violations of the Geneva Accords. I wonder whether the Pals blowing up buses, pizza parlors, airports, etc., filled with civilians somehow violates the Accords.

Regarding jobs for the Pals, this became impossible because of the increasing attacks by Pal workers on Jews. When the settlers left Gaza, they left behind valuable commercial facilities intact. The Gazans, of course, quickly destroyed them and launched about 8,000 rockets at civilians in Israel. It is pretty tough to help the Pals.

All Palestinians are not involved in terrorist activity, but Israel treats them all as criminals - before the fact. Your position only shows your true colors - a racial bigot.

All non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs who do nothing to stop those among them from trying to conquer Israel, deserve to be conquered by Israel.

A separate Palestinian state would likely be dangerous to the world, including the USA.


Palestinian State of Terror: Who Wins, Who Loses?
by Yoram Ettinger, August 26, 2009, FrontPageMagazine.com |

The idea that a Palestinian state can lead to enduring peace in the Middle East has become a diplomatic obsession for American policy makers. Bringing such a state into being has become the equivalent of finding the Holy Grail. In fact, however, a Palestinian state would not only fail to bring peace and stability to the region, but would make it an even more dangerous place than it already is. And ironically, given its adamant backing for a government that would have been led by Yasser Arafat and now would be headed by Abu Mazen, U.S. support for the creation of "Palestine," which would immediately ally itself with and become a client of rivals and enemies of America such as Iran, would harm American, Israeli, and even Arab interests.

The history of the PLO's Abu Mazen"who is hailed by the US administration as a peaceful leader"tells us something important about the likely character of a Palestinian state. As a graduate of Moscow University (Ph.D. thesis: Holocaust Denial) and a beneficiary of KGB training, he managed the logistics of the Munich Massacre of eleven Israeli athletes in 1972. He was the architect of PLO ties with ruthless communist regimes until 1989 and, since 1993, a series of PLO accords with Hamas. In 1950, 1966 and 1970, he was forced to flee Egypt, Syria and Jordan, respectively, for subversive activities. During the 1970s and 1980s he participated in PLO attempts to topple the Christian regime in Beirut, which resulted in the 1976 Syrian invasion of Lebanon and a series of civil wars, causing close to 200,000 deaths and hundreds of thousands of refugees. As Yasser Arafat's confidante and first deputy for over fifty years until Arafat's death, Abu Mazen is one of the engineers of contemporary Palestinian hate education, which has become a production line for terrorists. In 1990, he collaborated with Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, despite the Gulf country's unique hospitality to 400,000 PLO-affiliated Palestinians.

This history is not that of a peace maker, and the PLO's track record of inter-Arab treachery, non-compliance, corruption, repression and terrorism does not give evidence of peaceful Palestinian state of the future. Since its makeover from a terrorist organization to a semi-independent entity in 1993, the Palestinian Authority, which has been led by PLO graduates of terrorist bases in Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria and Tunisia, has become an incubator for terrorist tactics, which have been exported to Iraq, Afghanistan, England, Spain and other countries.

The 1968-70 and 1970-1982 PLO autonomy in Jordan and in Lebanon respectively provided training and inspiration for scores of international terror organizations; introduced the first wave of commercial aircraft hijackings; and facilitated the murder of 300 US Marines in the 1983 attack on the US Embassy and Marine Headquarters in Beirut. The year 1993"when the PLO catapulted to prominence"marked a wave of anti-US Islamic terrorism, starting with the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 and ending with the September 11 attacks.

The proposed Palestinian State would inflict destruction upon America's Arab allies and would enhance the fortunes of its rivals and enemies. Other states in the region know this. During the October 1994 signing of the Israel-Jordan peace treaty, top commanders of the Jordanian military urged their Israeli counterparts to stop short of a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River, "lest it destroy the [pro-US] Hashemite regime east of the River." Home to the largest Palestinian community in the world, Jordan is considered by the PLO to be Palestinian land. Why would the US support the Hashemite regime on one hand, but doom it to oblivion, by promoting a Palestinian State, on the other?

Even more worrisome are the ties between the PLO and Iran. The PLO was one of the earliest allies of the Ayatollah Khomeini when he toppled the Shah of Iran in 1979. After his 2005 election to the chairmanship of the Palestinian Authority, Abu Mazen's first visits were to Teheran and Damascus. A Palestinian state would extend Iran's long terrorist arm, facilitating subversive operations against pro-Western Arab regimes. It would also enable Iran to enhance its intelligence and military operations in the region, including port facilities in Gaza.

A Palestinian State would be a tailwind to insurgent terrorists in Iraq. With its long record of connections to Soviet intelligence, it would provide Russia and possibly China and North Korea with a foothold in the eastern flank of the Mediterranean at the expense of vital US interests. The increasingly Islamist and anti-US direction of Abu Mazen's educational and media efforts indicates that a Palestinian state would export terrorism to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states.

The long and determined effort by American administrations to soften the Palestinian Authority's harsh features cannot change the fact that a Palestinian State would add fuel to the fire of terrorism in the region. In tying its fortunes to the creation of such a state, the United States may be signing a suicide note for its Middle East policy.