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It's completely illogical, Foofie, to suggest that any group deserves a homeland because of how they've been historically treated.

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It's completely illogical, Foofie, to suggest that any group deserves a homeland because of how they've been historically treated.

Then why the insistence that the Palestinians have a homeland?

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The problem is not "Holocaust Denial," in my opinion, but "Holocaust Trivialization," meaning the Holocaust was such a long time ago, in the opinion of some pro-Palestinean folk, that Jews do not need a homeland.

It's completely illogical, Foofie, to suggest that any group deserves a homeland because of how they've been historically treated.

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The problem is not "Holocaust Denial," in my opinion, but "Holocaust Trivialization," meaning the Holocaust was such a long time ago, in the opinion of some pro-Palestinean folk, that Jews do not need a homeland.

Can you identify for us who on this thread ever "trivialized" the holocaust?

Let me say it again expanding the "holocaust denial" and include "holocaust trivialization." Only extremists deny or trivialize the holocaust. There is no need to keep repeating something that was never an issue about how Israelis treat Palestinians in Israel. It's an issue all on its own merit; and most people do not deny or trivialize the apartheid treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis except for extremists like you.

And as I have pointed out in an earlier post, this funding for Israel is illegal under US laws.

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It's completely illogical, Foofie, to suggest that any group deserves a homeland because of how they've been historically treated.

Then why the insistence that the Palestinians have a homeland?

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It's completely illogical, Foofie, to suggest that any group deserves a homeland because of how they've been historically treated.

Then why the insistence that the Palestinians have a homeland?

Who is saying that the Palestinians must get their homeland back due to what happened in the Holocaust?

Personally, I think European Jews, after WWII, should have been given a nice slice of Germany for a homeland.

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Personally, I think European Jews, after WWII, should have been given a nice slice of Germany for a homeland.

You mean as revenge to what Herzl suggested and started? (Okay, he later preferred the Uganda Project better.)
Or in exchange to the HaMoshava HaGermanit in Jerusalem? (Well, the Germans from there were deported after WWII.)

Or as reparation? That would have been certainly an idea.
Any thought why no-one proposed that?
(In the 15th/16th century, Poland/Lithuania was the 'promised land', too [under Sigmund I and Sigmund II August].)

as I have pointed out in an earlier post, this funding for Israel is illegal under US laws.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article II.
Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

Article VI
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This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

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US Aid: The Lifeblood of Occupation

By Matt Bowles

Israel has maintained an illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip (Palestinian territories) for 35 years, entrenching an apartheid regime that looks remarkably like the former South African regime.

Palestinians into small, noncontiguous bantustans, imposing closures and curfews to control where they go and when, while maintaining control over the natural resources, exploiting Palestinian labor, and prohibiting indigenous economic development.

The Israeli military (IDF)"the third or forth most powerful army in the world"routinely uses tanks, Apache helicopter gunships, and F-16 fighter jets (all subsidized by the U.S.) against a population that has no military and none of the protective institutions of a modern state.

All of this, Israel tells its citizens and the international community, is for "Israeli security." The reality, not surprisingly, is that these policies have resulted in a drastic increase in attacks on Israel. These attacks are then used as a pretext for further Israeli incursions into Palestinian areas and more violations of Palestinian human rights which makes Israeli civilians more secure; all of which further entrenches Israelÿs colonial apartheid regime. Most Americans do not realize the extent to which this is all funded by U.S. aid, nor do they understand the specific economic relationship the U.S. has with Israel and how that differs from other countries.
The aid pipeline

There are at least three ways in which aid to Israel is different from that of any other country. First, since 1982, U.S. aid to Israel has been transferred in one lump sum at the beginning of each fiscal year, which immediately begins to collect interest in U.S. banks. Aid that goes to other countries is disbursed throughout the year in quarterly installments.

Second, Israel is not required to account for specific purchases. Most countries receive aid for very specific purposes and must account for how it is spent. Israel is allowed to place US aid into its general fund, effectively eliminating any distinctions between types of aid. Therefore, U.S. tax-payers are helping to fund an illegal occupation, the expansion of colonial-settlement projects, and gross human rights violations against the Palestinian civilian population.

A third difference is the sheer amount of aid the U.S. gives to Israel, unparalleled in the history of U.S. foreign policy. Israel usually receives roughly one third of the entire foreign aid budget, despite the fact that Israel comprises less than .001 of the worldÿs population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. In other words, Israel, a country of approximately 6 million people, is currently receiving more U.S. aid than all of Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined when you take out Egypt and Colombia.

This year, the U.S. Congress approved $2.76 billion in its annual aid package for Israel. The total amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel has been constant, at around $3 billion (usually 60% military and 40% economic) per year for the last quarter century. A new plan was recently implemented to phase out all economic aid and provide corresponding increases in military aid by 2008. This year Israel is receiving $2.04 billion in military aid and $720 million in economic aid there is only military aid.

In addition to nearly $3 billion in direct aid, Israel usually gets another $3 billion or so in indirect aid: military support from the defense budget, forgiven loans, and special grants. While some of the indirect aid is difficult to measure precisely, it is safe to say that Israelÿs total aid (direct and indirect) amounts to at least five billion dollars annually.

On top of all of this aid, a team from Israelÿs finance ministry is slated to meet with U.S. government officials this month about an additional $800 million aid package which the Clinton administration promised Israel (and the Bush administration later froze) as compensation for the costs of its withdrawal from Lebanon. The U.S. also managed to find another $28 million in the 2001 Pentagon budget to give Israel to purchase "counter terrorism equipment."

According to the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE), from 1949-2001 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $94,966,300,000. The direct and indirect aid from this year should put the total U.S. aid to Israel since 1949 at over one hundred billion dollars. What is not widely known, however, is that most of this aid violates American laws. The Arms Export Control Act stipulates that US-supplied weapons be used only for "legitimate self-defense."

Moreover, the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act prohibits military assistance to any country "which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." The Proxmire amendment bans military assistance to any government that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to allow inspection of its nuclear facilities, which Israel refuses to do. To understand why the U.S. spends this much money funding the brutal repression of a colonized people, it is necessary to examine the benefits for weapons manufacturers and, particularly, the role that Israel plays in the expansion and maintenance of U.S. imperialism.

The Proxmire amendment bans military assistance to any government that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to allow inspection of its nuclear facilities, which Israel refuses to do.

I've read that extreme emotional/mental hostility provokes an individual (focuses if you will) the energy that can lead to a physiology that often extends longevity, I'm guessing foofie you will break records living well past 120. Perhaps some of those years will include happiness.

No, Foofie, it's against US laws for our country to give money to countries that practices apartheid, and uses that money for armament that kills innocent peoples.