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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 12:08 pm
@mysteryman,
CI, who is an admitted anti-Semite, wouldn't hesitate to give nukes to the Pals.

BTW, the Israelis who lived in the areas targeted by the Pals lived in a constant state of terror. They finally prevailed upon the government to take action against the Hamas terrorists.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 12:10 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:


Would you feel better if those missiles were just as effective?
Should we give the Pals the missiles that would be more effective, just to make it fair?


That might be a good start. We have been providing substantial military aid to the Israelis for decades.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 12:18 pm
@Advocate,
Living in a state of terror is much better than dead. Maybe, you didn't know that!

I have traveled to Israel right after the summer war of 2007, and none of us worried about "living in terror." I have also traveled to Bali several times, and the same pub and shopping center I visited were bombed less than one month after we left. Many Ausies were killed in Bali some years before, but I never worried about "living in terror." I have traveled to Central Asia last year where the population is over 90% Muslim, and I never worried once during my visit to five countries.

Our local guide in Israel, Gilad Peled, who lives in Jerusalem worries for his family, but he doesn't live in "constant" fear.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 12:19 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

mysteryman wrote:


Would you feel better if those missiles were just as effective?
Should we give the Pals the missiles that would be more effective, just to make it fair?


That might be a good start. We have been providing substantial military aid to the Israelis for decades.


Do you mean that American companies "donated" the military aid, or did our tax dollar raise the bottom line profit of those companies that made the military hardware that went to Israel? Somehow, I think corporate America profitted from that military aid to Israel. So, I do not think the concern about fairness to the Pals should include that which helped the U.S. economy. Sort of self-serving, perhaps.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 12:28 pm
@Foofie,
Talk about Bull ****, Foofie has no concept of what she speaks.

US Aid to Israel.
Quote:
US Aid: The Facts

- Israel and the US have a long-established special relationship. The US was the first country to recognise the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.
- Israel is considered America’s closest non-NATO ally in the Middle East, a region that is geopolitically crucial to the US.
- The close relationship between the two states is reflected in the volume of aid Israel receives from the US. Since World War II Israel has been the largest overall recipient of US aid: from 1949-2006 Israel received more than $156 billion of direct US aid.
- Until 2003, Israel received approximately one-third of the annual US foreign aid budget. In 2005, the US gave Israel more than $2.6 billion in aid, a budget exceeded only by US aid to Iraq. By comparison, Jordan received $683.6 million, Rwanda received $77 million, and the Occupied Palestinian Territories received $348.2 million.
- In the past, a majority of the direct US aid to Israel was via US Economic Support Funds (ESF). The US publicly states that ESF are given in order to support stability in areas strategic to the US. However, the recipient government completely controls how it spends these funds.
- The US also lends money to Israel, but these loans are frequently waived before any repayments are made. The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs has estimated that from 1974-2003 Israel benefited from more than $45 billion in waived loans from the US.
- Direct US aid to Israel has significantly diminished since 1996 in order to reduce Israeli financial dependence on the US. Speaking to the US Congress in July 1996, Former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu declared, “We will begin the long-term process of gradually reducing the level of your generous economic assistance to Israel.”
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 12:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From the same source.
Quote:
US aid to Israel violates US laws

- US aid to Israel, and the way in which this aid is used, frequently violates US law, policy and interests.
- Under US policy, financial aid to Israel should not be spent by Israel in the Occupied Territories. But Israel spends US aid with impunity.
- The US has a number of laws regulating foreign military aid and weapons’ exports. The 1961 Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) states that “No assistance [ought to be given] to countries that violate human rights”. But Israel systematically violates human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
- The 1976 US Arms Export Control Act (AECA) states that “Weapons purchased from the US should only be used for legitimate self-defense”.
But since September 2000 the Israeli military has killed more than 3,354 Palestinian civilians (as of 8 August 2007).
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 02:46 pm

Israeli officialdom attempts to stifle voices of criticism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/29/israel-breaking-silence-smear
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 02:54 pm
@McTag,
That looks like what is happening in the USA with the right, through its lies, disruption, violence, etc., is suppressing the truth about health-care reform.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 11:40 am
I guess the Hamas leadership feels that teaching the holocaust might restrain the Pals from carrying out the total annihilation of the Israeli population.

Questioning History

A Hamas spiritual leader says teaching Palestinian children about the Holocaust amounts to a war crime.

Cleric Younis al-Astal rejects a reported U.N. proposal to include in Gaza's school curriculum information about the Nazi killing of 6 million Jews during World War II: "I do not exaggerate when I say this issue is a war crime," adding that the Holocaust teaching would be "marketing a lie and spreading it."

A senior Israeli official says such statements should make the West think twice about ending its boycott of Hamas.

-- foxnews.com
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 11:59 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
Questioning History

A Hamas spiritual leader says teaching Palestinian children about the Holocaust amounts to a war crime.

Cleric Younis al-Astal rejects a reported U.N. proposal to include in Gaza's school curriculum information about the Nazi killing of 6 million Jews during World War II: "I do not exaggerate when I say this issue is a war crime," adding that the Holocaust teaching would be "marketing a lie and spreading it."

A senior Israeli official says such statements should make the West think twice about ending its boycott of Hamas.

-- foxnews.com


This is more than a bit ironic coming from foxnews, Advocate.

An exact phrase search, USA region only, gives us,

Results 1 - 10 of about 355,000 English pages for "Questioning the holocaust".

Results 1 - 10 of about 25,400,000 English pages for "truth about the holocaust".

It also seems more than a little hypocritical for you to complain about on elected Hamas official when there are quite a few folks about, even in the good ole USA, who want to air this subject. Isn't that what America is all about, the freedom to discuss any issue?

[Disclaimer: I'm not a Holocaust denier]

[just so you or other posters don't waste valuable time denouncing me as a Jew hater/anti-Semitic/... .
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 12:47 pm
@JTT,
Anybody with any understanding of logic knows that trying to refute the holocaust only comes from the extremists. Seems Advocate loves to peddle extremist's views.
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 05:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Anybody with any understanding of logic knows that trying to refute the holocaust only comes from the extremists. Seems Advocate loves to peddle extremist's views.


The problem is not "Holocaust Denial," in my opinion, but "Holocaust Trivialization," meaning the Holocaust was such a long time ago, in the opinion of some pro-Palestinean folk, that Jews do not need a homeland. As the Muslim population increases in Europe, there seems to be an increase in anti-Semitism in Europe. Perhaps, a direct correlation, based on the desire to appease the Muslims, so no one is short on fuel during the winter?
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 05:48 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
The problem is not "Holocaust Denial," in my opinion, but "Holocaust Trivialization," meaning the Holocaust was such a long time ago, in the opinion of some pro-Palestinean folk, that Jews do not need a homeland.


It's completely illogical, Foofie, to suggest that any group deserves a homeland because of how they've been historically treated.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 06:06 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Quote:

The problem is not "Holocaust Denial," in my opinion, but "Holocaust Trivialization," meaning the Holocaust was such a long time ago, in the opinion of some pro-Palestinean folk, that Jews do not need a homeland.


Can you identify for us who on this thread ever "trivialized" the holocaust?

Let me say it again expanding the "holocaust denial" and include "holocaust trivialization." Only extremists deny or trivialize the holocaust. There is no need to keep repeating something that was never an issue about how Israelis treat Palestinians in Israel. It's an issue all on its own merit; and most people do not deny or trivialize the apartheid treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis except for extremists like you.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 08:05 pm
@JTT,
It's completely illogical, Foofie, to suggest that any group deserves a homeland because of how they've been historically treated
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They deserve a homeland for the same reason that every other group on the planet deserve a homeland they had the ability to seize and defend their lands.

Name one nation state that did not start with a group moving in and taking over land.




cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 09:12 pm
@BillRM,
Except for Israel who continues to steal Palestinian lands to expand their settlements, there is no developed, democratic, country that does the same thing to any of their citizens.
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 09:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI, you are a boring POS. You continue to tell the same old lies in your efforts to denigrate Israel. Israel has always been willing to live in peace with the Pals. On the other hand, the Pals, to this day, have sworn to stop at nothing less than the total destruction of Israel.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Sep, 2009 10:39 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
they had the ability to seize and defend their lands.


Well actually no. If the USA hadn't been subsidizing the state of Israel with tons of money and armaments till hell won't have them, there might well be no Israel at all.

Interesting point of view here, from, wait for it, ...

Jewish Voice for Peace


Quote:
Peace, U.S. Military Aid and Israel
Why we urge the U.S. government to suspend military aid to Israel until it ends its 37-year occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.

U.S. military aid to Israel has a dramatic effect on Israel's policies towards the Palestinians. It has increasingly been used not to pay for defense but to finance the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands. It keeps Israel from facing the difficult but necessary challenges of building a more democratic society, and encourages solving deep-rooted problems by military rather than peaceful and more effective means.

The U.S. funding that pays for the guns and ammunition, F-16 bombers, and Apache helicopters that are used to carry out Israel's occupation of Palestinian land and people serves neither Israelis, Palestinians, nor Americans.

In short, Israel cannot build a society based on the principles of democracy, human rights, and compliance with international law while brutally occupying another people and their land. The United States is currently paying for that occupation with its annual aid. That's why Jewish Voice for Peace urges the U.S. government to suspend military aid to Israel until Israel ends its 37-year occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.

Top Five Things You Should Know About U.S. Military Aid to Israel

1. Harm to Palestinian civilians
A large part of U.S. military aid to Israel goes to purchase tanks, helicopter gunships, machine guns, and bullets that are used against Palestinian civilians. Our tax dollars have been used to destroy homes; uproot trees and crops; seize land from its lawful owners; close all access to food, medicine, and the outside world for small towns in the West Bank and Gaza; staff checkpoints that cut off ambulances and other civilian traffic; and carry out assassinations that kill children in addition to summarily executing political leaders. When Palestinian doctors remove bullets from the bodies of Palestinian children, the bullets are typically stamped ?Made in the U.S.A.?

Israel has used its U.S.-financed arsenal against unarmed Palestinian civilians, including children. Amnesty International reports that in 2002 alone, ?At least 1,000 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli army, most of them unlawfully. They included some 150 children and at least 35 individuals killed in targeted assassinations.

http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/article_17.shtml



I wonder if Advocate, Foofie and BillRM will read it in its entirety.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 12:06 am
@JTT,
And as I have pointed out in an earlier post, this funding for Israel is illegal under US laws.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 04:25 am
@JTT,
Well actually no. If the USA hadn't been subsidizing the state of Israel with tons of money and armaments till hell won't have them, there might well be no Israel at all.

Interesting point of view here, from, wait for it, ...

Jewish Voice for Peace
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Nonsense as when they declare a state they was attacked by what 6 or so surrounding nations and as far as I am aware of they did not get any great help from US at the time. So you are writing history?

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