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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 06:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
Why did you take the book?
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 07:09 am
@mysteryman,

Your joke would work if he had written "took from" but he wrote "took at".

Keep up with the English studies, MM, it'll pay dividends in the end.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 10:14 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue, You got that spot on! Not only "ass backwards," but Israel keeps promising some kind of peace negotiation while continuing to expand their settlements year after year after year... Any ten year old would know they're not interested in making any peace settlement with the Palestinians, but to continue getting support from the US as they fool each president with their rhetoric about peace. Even Obama calls Israel a "democracy." Poor Palestinians don't have a prayer when every US president can't see the apartheid treatment of Palestinians for all these decades. There's no cure for stupid.
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 10:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
Especially in U.S. politics. Wether one votes dem or rep you still end up with stupid. the choice to be made is to elect the less stupid to office.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 10:33 am
@rabel22,
rebel, Unfortunately for us poor Americans, we can select on who to vote for from the campaigns run by the candidates, but how they actually run our country after their election is a toss of the dice. We usually end up with crap.

I believed Obama to be one of the most intelligent candidates to come around, but many of his decisions on spending and health care leaves me to believe he's not all that smart. He has failed to communicate properly the stimulus plan (only 25% of the money has been distributed), so most Americans believe the stimulus plan is already a failure. His communication on the health plan has only confused most Americans.

There's very little hope when an Obama-type can't communicate properly what his presidency is all about. His advisers are all failures in my book.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 12:36 pm
CI weeps every night for the poor, poor, put-upon, Pals. Yes, they may have some bad habits, such as persecuting non-Muslims and women, murdering so-called informants and homosexuals, firing up to 10,000 missiles at civilians in Israel, etc. He thinks we can afford having another terrorist state in the ME (at Israel's expense). I am a little surprised he doesn't volunteer to be a suicide bomber for the Pals. But, he made it clear that he has boundless hatred for Jews.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 12:49 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate, I don't weep for anybody in Israel. I also do not weep for the millions of humans on this planet who are starving, dying of disease, getting killed in war, or are otherwise having a miserable life.

Those are things I have no control over, and it's a waste of emotion and energy to weep for them.

However, I do know the difference between democracy and apartheid, and can speak out intellectually about how one group mistreats another group whether it's in the US or elsewhere on this planet.

I understand the difference between right and wrong, unlike some of you on these threads.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 02:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,

Quote:
InfraBlue, You got that spot on! Not only "ass backwards," but Israel keeps promising some kind of peace negotiation while continuing to expand their settlements year after year after year... Any ten year old would know they're not interested in making any peace settlement with the Palestinians, but to continue getting support from the US as they fool each president with their rhetoric about peace. Even Obama calls Israel a "democracy." Poor Palestinians don't have a prayer when every US president can't see the apartheid treatment of Palestinians for all these decades. There's no cure for stupid.


Even George Bush, looking at the map of the West Bank, said "you can't make a separate state out of a swiss cheese."
Peace talks offering separate statehood are just so much hot air. There is no practical possibility of a separate Palestinian state which would be a workable reality, it seems to me.
For that to happen, the settlers would have to be moved off that land and that would mean American involvement in Israeli bloodshed, a vanishingly small likelihood.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 02:52 pm
@McTag,
The likelihood of that happening under Obama is remote, but almost anything is possible; Obama's not strong enough on his own and will bend with the tide.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 05:45 pm
Israel did have a sincere interest in helping to establish a separate state for the Pals. However, ten thousand missiles later, and an untold number of suicide bombers, they have concluded that any new state would be a terrorist one. Also Israel must be considering the Pal movement toward more extremism.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2009 05:48 pm
@Advocate,
When one group treats another group as if they're all criminals, what do you expect? Miracles is not one of the options.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 28 Aug, 2009 09:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

When one group treats another group as if they're all criminals, what do you expect? Miracles is not one of the options.


Then how come the Japanese-Americans, that were put into internment camps, understood, after the war, that it would be best to continue life in the U.S., and take advantage of its opportunities. Perhaps, Japanese-Americans collectively have a great ability to think logically and pragmatically?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Aug, 2009 09:55 am
@Foofie,
Foofie, Why are you so hung up on Japanese Americans when we're discussing Israel? Your attempts at trying to compare apples and carrots will not work.

1. Japanese Americans in US concentration camps were not starved to death, and were given opportunities to work.
2. Japanese Americans who lived east of the west coast were not imprisoned. Many lived "freely" in Denver, Chicago and NYC where there were a good number of Japanese Americans.
3. Japanese Americans volunteered into the US Army, and fought for our country.
4. Many Japanese Americans also attended colleges in the midwest and east coast of the US during WWII.

Now, show me how that compares with the Palestinians of Israel?
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 28 Aug, 2009 10:17 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foofie, Why are you so hung up on Japanese Americans when we're discussing Israel? Your attempts at trying to compare apples and carrots will not work.

1. Japanese Americans in US concentration camps were not starved to death, and were given opportunities to work.
2. Japanese Americans who lived east of the west coast were not imprisoned. Many lived "freely" in Denver, Chicago and NYC where there were a good number of Japanese Americans.
3. Japanese Americans volunteered into the US Army, and fought for our country.
4. Many Japanese Americans also attended colleges in the midwest and east coast of the US during WWII.

Now, show me how that compares with the Palestinians of Israel?


The Palestineans that are Israeli citizens, having not left Israel at the start of the 1948 war, tend to be living a comfortable life in Israel.

If you think I am "hung up" on Japanese-Americans, I think you are hung-up on Israelis. You are not an Israeli, nor am I a Japanese-American. Neither of us can speak adequately, I believe, for anyone other than what we are ourselves. If you have given yourself the license to talk in behalf of the oppressed Palestineans, I may talk in behalf of the Japanese-Americans on the west coast that may still be suffering from the internment during WWII. Do not attempt to dissuade me from talking in behalf of the Japanese-Americans on the west coast, regardless of your possible greater knowledge about Japanese-Americans, since your knowledge may be clouded by your being a Japanese-American yourself. You cannot see the suffering that I do as a New Yorker.



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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 28 Aug, 2009 11:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
You really are full of it. Show me where Pals have been starved to death or denied the ability to work. This never happened.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Aug, 2009 11:23 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
Tuesday, January 6, 2009
Lack of food and medicine a catastrophe, say aid groups

MICHAEL JANSEN

ISRAELI SHELLING killed 14 members of two Palestinian families yesterday, raising the fatality toll to more than 90 since Israel began its ground offensive on Saturday. According to UN and Palestinian health authority sources, at least 535 Palestinians have been killed, of which an estimated 28 per cent were women and children, and 2,450 wounded, 40 per cent women and children, in the offensive Israel launched on December 27th.

Humanitarian agencies characterised the situation of the Strip's 1.5 million people as a "catastrophe" and an "extreme emergency". The two functioning crossings into Gaza, Israel's Karem Shalom, meant to handle a limited volume of goods, and Egypt's Rafah, a passenger terminal not equipped for massive shipments of goods, cannot cope with need.

Unless the conveyor belts at Israel's Karni crossing operate, the amounts of food and medicines required cannot enter Gaza. At present, Karem Shalom is blocked by lorries carrying wheat, which cannot be milled or baked into bread without power.

Christopher Gunness, spokesman of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), said Israel was allowing only a few dozen lorry loads of supplies into the Strip. "That is not enough. In June 2007, there were 475 trucks a day."

While some fuel flowed through Nahal Oz yesterday, "one million Palestinians have no electricity.

"All hospitals are on emergency generators. Medical staff have been working round-the-clock and are exhausted. Hundreds of [injured] people are not being seen," said Mr Gunness.

Ambulances carrying the wounded to hospital and trucks transporting supplies from Rafah to Khan Younis and Gaza city are being caught up in the fighting, he said. UNRWA has opened 11 emergency shelters. "I think this constitutes a humanitarian crisis. This can't be allowed to go on," he said.

Save the Children staff in Gaza managed to deliver aid parcels to 6,000 people on Sunday but its stocks in the Strip have been exhausted and Israel has refused to allow more into Gaza.

The organisation's spokesman, Dominic Nutt said "the pipeline has been cut". He said "terrified" families were "fending for themselves".


This article appears in the print edition of the Irish Times
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Aug, 2009 05:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It seems like Advocate disappeared into his cave.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 09:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
Where does it say that Pals starved to death, etc.? Moreover, 8,000 missiles are enough.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 09:50 am
@Advocate,
You keep saying "8000 missiles," but their effectiveness compared to the deadly bombings and shootings by Israelis of innocents doesn't even compare.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2009 11:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You keep saying "8000 missiles," but their effectiveness compared to the deadly bombings and shootings by Israelis of innocents doesn't even compare.


Would you feel better if those missiles were just as effective?
Should we give the Pals the missiles that would be more effective, just to make it fair?
 

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